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this hope radio for the masses as my

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anniversary in July 1947

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the Army Air Forces has a knob start

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applying this has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army the game

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer radio network

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and kgr a

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I need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fade to black with

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California and I would like to welcome

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all across the United States if they're

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game-changer Network 2kg RA the planets

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from your Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing how you doing

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all right here we go

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tonight's very special guests live from

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New York City its Mitch Horowitz

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get ready for that live from Manhattan

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tomorrow night and reappear enjoins us

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Andrea joins us for the first time her

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life her family is the movie the

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franchise the conjuring okay there's

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you know what's even cooler 1414 that's

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will also do that as well you can follow

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around the world all right any questions

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Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio.com I want

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to my little public service announcement

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right now is a simple one you need to

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keep your immune system in check you

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need to do what I do what I do I do

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vitamin d3 I do b12 I do

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multivitamin every single day a

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custom-made multivitamin I do that every

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single day my immune system is in check

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you need to make sure yours is in check

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just go to get the t-dot-com it's simple

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has been part of this show

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for years and he is the reason why

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myself and my family are feeling pretty

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good about our preparation and we did it

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for our health and now today look at us

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through a trippy crazy crisis right now

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and all of it all of it is centered

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around your immune system and that's

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what everybody is talking about all the

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medical advice that you can hear and

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find everywhere is about making sure

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your immune system is in check go to get

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all right do it now let's get to the

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breaking news Marc Anthony spell a

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pastor of Life Tabernacle Church in

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his church will remain open on Sunday

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this morning for violating the

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governor's executive order to stay at

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home there you go he's gonna he's gonna

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defy everything are they gonna arrest

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him again what are they going to do

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inside its prison system la the LA

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sheriff Alex Villanueva as the head of

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anchor Chris Cuomo has been diagnosed

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with corona virus and he will continue

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studio the stock market fell today down

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those are active with twenty four

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overnight twenty four thousand four

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let's get to the good news and I've got

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a lot of it today all right are you

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ready for some good news a plane from

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Russia loaded with personal protective

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equipment otherwise known as PPE s

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to kovat nineteen is expected to arrive

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in the United States tomorrow and you

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right now upset about this you know say

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you know what I think it's cool and I'm

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glad that it's happening over the next

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few weeks Governor Brian Kemp will

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deploy the National Guard to help

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long-term care facilities assisted

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Georgia with kovat nineteen cases and

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North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper said

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in a press conference this afternoon

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that he signed an executive order

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prohibiting companies from shutting off

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services for people unable to pay for

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gas electric water and wastewater how do

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you like that

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great news Canada is spending 1.4

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billion dollars for medical supplies in

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response to everything

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Morgana's small business owners can

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apply for loans from the 349 billion

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dollar payroll protection program

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starting this Friday Chicago is now

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offering 100 million dollars in

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low-interest loans to support their

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small businesses there will be

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approximately 500 more medical

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technicians and paramedics coming to New

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York City from across the United States

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that is some great news the Billie Jean

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King Tennis Center in Queens New York

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that's right

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will soon house 350 hospital beds now

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the universe runs with every positive

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there's a negative and that's just the

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way that it is and here's the bad news

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the nevada governor is asking people

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entering the state to self quarantine

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for 14 days and that is everybody

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New York's MTA says ridership is down

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90% the United States Army has begun

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calling up members of the individual

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Ready Reserve on a voluntary basis in

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order to help combat the spread of the

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corona virus almost twenty-eight percent

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of corner virus cases in Minnesota our

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health care workers Texas governor Greg

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Abbott has issued a state statewide stay

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at home order

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Louisiana Governor John bel Edwards is

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extending the state's stay at home order

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until April 30th and Taylor gap JC

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Penney Macy's Kohl's loft and Neiman

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Marcus are all furloughing thousands and

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thousands of employees amid their store

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closures across the country California

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unemployment climbs to 1.6 million

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people today Portuguese airline ta P

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otherwise known as air Portugal has

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temporarily laid off 9,000 employees

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about roughly 90 percent of its entire

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workforce at least 380 New Jersey police

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officials have tested positive for

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Colonna virus and Hawaii has just

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coronavirus leaving Wyoming as the only

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all right so bad news isn't is bad it

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isn't as long as it has been okay so I

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think most of the bad news is out of the

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way all right now yesterday Monday March

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30th at 7 p.m. Pacific Standard Time

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these were the latest kornev virus

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numbers coronavirus cases around the

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world seven hundred and eighty four

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thousand eight hundred and thirty-two it

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was up over two hundred and fifty

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thousand cases over a four-day period

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since we broadcast the last Thursday

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deaths yesterday thirty seven thousand

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seven hundred ninety up over thirteen

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point five thousand over four days

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recoveries 165 thousand three hundred

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eighty seven up almost twenty thousand

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over that same four-day period the

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numbers today March 31st at 7:00 p.m.

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Pacific Standard Time coronavirus cases

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worldwide are now eight hundred and

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fifty seven thousand eight hundred and

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thirty seven up seventy thousand in the

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past 24 hours deaths four to two

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thousand one hundred and twenty-nine up

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five thousand in 24 hours recoveries 177

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thousand 141 up eleven thousand in 24

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hours there are currently as of today

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638 thousand five hundred and

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sixty-seven active cases worldwide and

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thirty two thousand two hundred and

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ninety seven five percent are considered

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serious or critical 606 thousand of

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those 638 thousand six hundred six

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thousand two hundred and seventy are

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considered mild conditions and that is

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95 percent of that number those are the

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real corona virus numbers let's get this

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show

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Hakan happy birthday - today one of my

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favorites even McGregor today is only 49

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years old Christopher Walken today one

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of our greatest actors ever in the

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history of cinema

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today is 77 years old Shirley Jones

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that's right mama Partridge is Shirley

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Partridge on the Partridge Family today

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is 86 years old guitar god Angus Young

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today is 65 years old is Angus Young the

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greatest export out of Australia in the

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history of everything Australia I'm

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saying it right now is Angus Young the

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greatest export out of Australia I just

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got to say he may be an ain't Holden

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that's for sure

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bad company guitarist Mick Ralphs one of

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my favorite guitars of all time today 76

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years old also today another guitar

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player I'm gonna say it I'm gonna go on

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the record

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warrants Eric Turner today is 56 years

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old Eric literally used to live across

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the street from me on Hollywood

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Boulevard Hollywood and Fulton right

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there on the corner I lived in the

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Martinique and he lived in I was in his

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building anyway literally across the

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street from my old place in Hollywood

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happy birthday Eric 56 years old today

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and on this day in history OTD 1999 the

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day the world changed the matrix is

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released in theaters and I think it's

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safe to say that things haven't been the

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same since

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have they fader fact in 1971 are you

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ready the citizens Commission to

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investigate the FBI broke into an FBI

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office by writing an

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that said and I'm quoting please don't

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lock this door tonight

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end quote they put that note plastered

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on the front door of the FBI office and

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guess what the FBI left the door

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unlocked it actually worked and they

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broke in stole several files and

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evidence of J edgar Hoover's criminal

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program of secret spying and that is

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your fader factor check it out happened

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in 1971 go look it up that actually

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happened it makes you wonder if it would

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work today right

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leave this computer on do not log out

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[Laughter]

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all right let me hit this River moon

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coffee by the way River moon coffee is

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now available on Amazon that's right

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River moons got their own Amazon store

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and right now fader knots if you are an

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Amazon Prime member you're gonna go get

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yourself some free shipping on fade to

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black blend right now over at Amazon

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Reeta get that up get that new Amazon

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store up for River moon coffee pop it up

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there and Twitter I'll retweet it River

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moon coffee calm eye fade to black blend

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have to be blend that's the promo code

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that's what you use 15% off of your

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order today wonder if that works out

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Amazon huh so you can not only get free

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shipping can you get 50% off with that

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to be blend and Amazon I'm just asking

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juanita and chef I know you're listening

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right now pop something up in Twitter

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let the fader nots know what time it is

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alright entropy let's talk about entropy

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let's talk about empty can we talk let's

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talk about entropy I talk about it all

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the time I do and this morning I was

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speaking with our daughter Nicole

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checking in to see how she's doing and

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she said

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something strange to me today and I want

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you to know that Nicole is 25 years old

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the a real millennial right right there

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25 years old and today she said I'm

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quoting here I'm paraphrasing but this

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is the essence of what she said in like

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two sentences she said dad my generation

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is never gonna forget what we are going

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through right now we grew up with all of

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these advancements in technology only to

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have everything just fall apart

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and it took the corona virus pandemic to

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do it and I just thought man and I

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raised her right and I was just stunned

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and I was so happy to hear these words

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come from her and that's what I brought

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up entropy and I explained it to her and

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I gave her the raw definition I gave her

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a couple of different definitions of

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entropy signals mean okay all right I'm

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gonna go check that out and she agreed

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that that is exactly what is going on

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right now she also said that the world

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will never be the same after all of this

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is over this is our conversation today

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she went on to say that this is all that

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her and her friends are talking about

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right now the world falling apart in

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front of them and there's nothing that

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they can do about it

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and I said to her now tonight we've got

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Mitch Horowitz on the show but I said

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you know a perfect example and I was

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trying to explain to her you know

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entropy and you know and I said look you

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take a you take a you take a seed for a

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flower and you put it in the ground that

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seed at that point is perfect right it's

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just a seed it's not complex it's not

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grown yet you know it's just a seed it's

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simple you put it in the ground boom it

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grows entropy starts at that moment

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entropy you know that this you know it

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grows up and then you know blooms then

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later it's a beautiful flower and now

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it's really complex

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in the pedals and and the symmetry in

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the geometry and it's gorgeous and and

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then it dies falls apart

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that's entropy because I get it and I

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said another example

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Nicole is New York City I said New York

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start it out at one point as a tiny

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peaceful little island some trees some

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flowers the seasons coming and going and

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it's just this nice little island and

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then we come along alright so at one

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point you know even before man you know

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let's just go back you know just think

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about it right nothing going on there

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animals some deer squirrels you know

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perfect little island we come along and

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throw some trinkets right at the at the

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indigenous American Indians the Indian

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population that was living there at the

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time we buy the island and now today it

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has nearly 10 million people packed

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it's just what seems like a few square

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miles the complexity of what New York

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City is today and if you think about it

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the infrastructure right people packed

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into these tall buildings living this

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existence every single apartment every

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single office every single desk

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everything everywhere the electricity

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the plumbing right the infrastructure

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the internet everything that is pumped

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in the complexity underneath all of

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those buildings a subway system the

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sewage system everything that is about

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New York right now is as complex as a

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city can possibly be and when

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it has gone too far think about it it's

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gonna come unglued and when it comes

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unglued it's gonna come unglued in a big

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way there's too much that can go wrong

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in New York City and we were talking

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about this today why New York would be

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the epicenter of coronavirus well as the

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perfect petri dish for it and she said

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well what's the difference between New

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York in LA I said well first off a stay

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at home order in LA people do it in Los

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Angeles anyway people in Los Angeles

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aren't concerned about other people they

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have their house they have their

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apartment they go home they stay there

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they don't they don't care about their

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neighbors they don't care about the

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people across the street they got their

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own little world and they stay there

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it's their cocoon and it's spread out

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we have 2030 million people here but

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it's spread out so a stay at home order

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here in LA a stay at home order in New

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York is you're compressing 9 million

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people into a sardine can it's gonna go

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wrong out here in LA its containment is

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much much easier or anywhere else around

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the United States New York is its own

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perfect situation for entropy and the

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coronavirus and a pandemic like this to

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wreak havoc on the city and I feel for

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the people of New York City I feel for

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the hospitals and the and the fire

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department and the police department and

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everybody that's on the front lines and

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that are dealing with this right now

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because it's happening at such a huge

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scale I've said it so many times on this

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show New York is my favorite city on

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planet earth Los Angeles is not New York

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you go to that city you land at JFK you

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ride the cab in and you get into

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Manhattan and you step out of the cab

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and your foot hits the ground and the

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electricity shoots up your leg there is

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nothing like New York City there's

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nothing like it the amount of people

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that that not only live together and

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to live together over the years and the

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melting pot and it's the food it's the

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theater's is the museum it's the

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infrastruc ture magic and I love that

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city it's too many people concentrated

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in a very small spot and right now all

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of our thoughts and prayers everything

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needs to be sent New York City's way

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there you go all right all right and

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that is the definition of entropy

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I'm your host Jimmy church tonight live

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from Manhattan live from New York Mitch

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Horowitz and his new article which I

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posted up today which is absolutely

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incredible if you haven't read it it's

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over on medium it is called reclaiming

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the Damned you can just google it we've

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got the links up in Twitter and also

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over on Facebook and our other social

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media places reclaiming the Damned Mitch

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Horowitz on medium I'll be right back

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after this short break with our guest

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Mitch Horowitz I'm your host Jimmy

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church and the GameChanger network and

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kg are a planet stay with us stay with

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here Jimmy Church tonight our guests

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live from New York City in Manhattan

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Mitch Horowitz tonight we're gonna

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discuss his most recent article it's an

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amazing read we posted it all around

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social media earlier today hopefully

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everybody checked it out you will

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certainly do it after tonight's show and

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the article he describes it as an

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umbrella theory of anomalies it's called

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reclaiming the dam that was just

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published on medium mich of course is a

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writer in residence at the New York City

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Public Library he wrote this article

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research room from the public library

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and I did take note of that earlier

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today and he is a lecturer in residence

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at the university of philosophical

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research in los angeles and he is the

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Penn award-winning author of books

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including a cult America one simple idea

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how positive thinking reshaped a modern

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life and the miracle club how thoughts

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become reality mr. Horowitz has written

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on everything from the war on witches to

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the secret life of Ronald Reagan for the

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New York Times The Wall Street Journal

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the Washington Post salon time calm and

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Politico The Washington Post says Mitch

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treats esoteric ideas and movements with

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an even-handed intellectual seriousness

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that is too often lost in today's raised

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voice discussions Mitch has discussed

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alternative spirituality on CBS Sunday

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morning Dateline NBC NPR's all things

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considered CNN and throughout national

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media the Chinese government has

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censored his work and I would like to

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welcome back to fade to black

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Mitch Horowitz Mitch my man how you

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doing I'm doing great great to be here

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thank you man and you know Mitch okay

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welcome back to the program and I wish

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we were in different days and and we can

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have one of those fun conversations

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we're gonna do that eventually tonight

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but you're right there man and in

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Manhattan and

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New York is is certainly my favorite

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city in the world I say it all the time

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I live in Los Angeles and and I'll drop

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that dime anywhere in Los Angeles you

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know Manhattan's my favorite city you're

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right there what's it like

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what part of Manhattan are you in and

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what do you see when you look out the

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windows well I'm on the Lower East Side

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of Manhattan and frankly I have been

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quarantined in my apartment for over two

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weeks I haven't left these rooms for

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more than two weeks and when you asked

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what do I see when I look out the

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windows that's really my only

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three-dimensional experience of the

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outer world

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I have coronavirus I have a mild case of

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it thankfully and I consider myself very

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lucky there are a lot of people who

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having a lot worse than I do one thing I

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can say is when you get this thing even

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if it's mild it does linger so you got

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to be really careful because I thought

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it was gonna be back up and running

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inside two weeks and definitely looking

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at at least three you know maybe more

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but at least three so this virus does

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linger when you get it what's it like

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one of the things that people experience

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when they go to New York City from you

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know elsewhere you arrive there and you

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check into your hotel and the one thing

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that is so wonderful of New York is the

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friggin noise well the city is alive

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right it dealt cards its horns its

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people its traffic its garbage trucks

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its deliveries all hours of the day and

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night and at night the city restocks

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itself it comes back to life with the

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things that you don't see during the day

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it's just an incredible vibrant

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existence there but I can only imagine

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it's the opposite for you these days the

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life and the noises is is it gone

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oh yeah it's it's very much gone I mean

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you do hear that noise that could cough

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any of trucks and sirens and traffic and

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people milling about at all hours and

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that is gone that is gone

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even in the building in which I live

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which is a five-story walk-up I think

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that some of my neighbors certainly have

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skipped town I haven't I'm I'm here for

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the count but the noise which is this

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kind of symphonic sometimes deafening

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quality of life in New York has really

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receded it's a quiet town it's a

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different town it's changed and what do

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you think because not only are you a

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resident there but you can look at you

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and see New York on your face right

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that's just who you are and it's an

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airing but how will this change the city

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moving forward well clearly there's a

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lot of people suffering economically

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restaurants are the lifeblood of New

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York City economically bars restaurants

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other gathering places obviously these

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places are all closed indefinitely and

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that just reeks economic havoc on

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people's lives and of course then there

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are the health care workers the doctors

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the nurses the paramedics the first

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responders they are doing incredible

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work and there's people we forget about

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like prison guards you know these people

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have to go to work every single day in

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cramped conditions where they feel at

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risk and my heart really goes out to

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these people one of the things I'm

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really wishing for is to get better

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hopefully I'll have immunity when I'm

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over this thing and I want to go out

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into the world and try to do something

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positive I've been trying to do things

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from this this quarantine situation I

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volunteered to give health care workers

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free tarot card readings for example

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that might sound unconventional but it's

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something that I'm capable of giving so

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if among your listeners there are any

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00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:00,280
doctors nurses paramedics health care

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00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:02,830
folk you can email me you can find my

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email on my website I'll give you a free

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00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:07,300
remote three-card Tower reading it's

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00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:09,370
kind of an unusual contribution but it's

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what I'm capable of doing sure and when

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I'm better when I'm better and I hope I

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have immunity I intend to be out there

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in the world hopefully doing something

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concrete hopefully contributing in some

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way

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because I tell you the people who are on

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the frontlines they're just heroes and

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00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:29,050
look you know this also includes truck

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drivers and includes folk who work in

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warehouses these people are keeping our

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economy going right now and they are

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doing it at risk to themselves one of

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the things that and and you don't know

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00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:45,310
about this until you go to New York but

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one of the greatest things about the

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city is at 3:00 a.m. you can go down and

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find a 24-hour salad bar real yeah and

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and that all of that is has stopped

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right to a very great extent I mean

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00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:07,120
there certainly are places that are

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still open that are still hanging in

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00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:11,200
you've got restaurants delivering you've

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00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:14,470
got delis that are open but that side of

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00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:17,920
New York to a very great extent has gone

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00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:19,630
dim has gone damn Wow

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00:41:25,020 --> 00:41:21,580
and yeah and you know there's a lot

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00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:25,030
people who are wondering about what the

782
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:27,100
future is you know they have leases on

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00:41:33,780 --> 00:41:31,210
stores and restaurants and bars and all

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00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:33,790
kinds of places they employ people and

785
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:37,060
the future is uncertain for them so you

786
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:38,890
know we really need to pull together

787
00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:41,140
through this whole thing with a lot of

788
00:41:48,510 --> 00:41:44,620
solidarity as one society really focused

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00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:48,520
because the economic battle is going to

790
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:50,260
be one that we're in for for some time

791
00:41:57,900 --> 00:41:54,790
to come now you have written not only

792
00:42:02,270 --> 00:41:57,910
some amazing books but and you've spoken

793
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:02,280
publicly so much about our community

794
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:05,350
spirituality of course the occult and

795
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:09,640
things like this but there's another

796
00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:13,540
part to this story which is right now

797
00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:16,660
where you've got 199 countries around

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00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:18,940
the world affected by this economies

799
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,550
there isn't any place on this planet

800
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:23,200
right now that hasn't been touched by

801
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:27,130
this but the reaction of the world has

802
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:29,890
has been one of coming together of

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00:42:36,300 --> 00:42:34,020
putting differences aside and rising up

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to appreciate

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00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:39,460
our brothers and sisters and I've very

806
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:42,220
impressed with that are you surprised by

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00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:45,850
that that there isn't anger and it could

808
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:47,230
have gone the other way but it hasn't

809
00:42:52,740 --> 00:42:49,930
has it well one of the things I have

810
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:52,750
been glad to see is that people have not

811
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been engaging by and large in binge

812
00:43:01,890 --> 00:42:59,530
buying or panic buying it was funny a

813
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:01,900
few weeks ago I was on coast to coast

814
00:43:05,610 --> 00:43:03,550
and we were talking about the pandemic

815
00:43:08,340 --> 00:43:05,620
just at the very beginning you know this

816
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:08,350
wave was just starting to build and one

817
00:43:12,060 --> 00:43:10,090
of the things I was concerned about at

818
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that time was the people were gonna

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00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:15,010
engage in panic buying and create a

820
00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:17,410
sense of scarcity even if there really

821
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:20,550
wasn't one and I think although

822
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:22,210
obviously there's always going to be

823
00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:25,480
some bad actors by and large people have

824
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:26,860
not been hoarding they have not been

825
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:30,630
engaging in panic buying or in

826
00:43:35,010 --> 00:43:32,830
unconscionable price gouging there are

827
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:35,020
some instances of it and I don't want to

828
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,570
say there aren't but by and large that

829
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:40,000
hasn't been going on so I'm pleased to

830
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:42,940
see those developments and what do you

831
00:43:52,740 --> 00:43:48,540
what do you think is ultimately the the

832
00:43:56,820 --> 00:43:52,750
the endgame here is this a point for

833
00:43:58,260 --> 00:43:56,830
this planet to check ourselves but you

834
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,270
know maybe we've done the wrong thing

835
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:00,400
for long enough you know the party is

836
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:02,410
over and there's other things on this

837
00:44:07,170 --> 00:44:05,170
planet that are more important than the

838
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,180
values that we have established over the

839
00:44:11,130 --> 00:44:09,280
last hundred years well it's a great

840
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:11,140
question there's no way that we're going

841
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:14,950
to come out of this unchanged certainly

842
00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:16,510
we're realizing and there were some

843
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:18,430
people who had this foresight going back

844
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:23,700
decades that with globalism comes a

845
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:27,850
vulnerability to viruses to

846
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:30,670
environmental crises nothing is local

847
00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:31,090
anymore

848
00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:35,500
it or not and there may be different

849
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:37,600
policies that we need to put in place to

850
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:40,450
deal with that but that's a fact of life

851
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:45,160
and my wish is that we will come out of

852
00:44:49,580 --> 00:44:47,640
this with a sense of shared stake in

853
00:44:52,610 --> 00:44:49,590
preparing for potential

854
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:52,620
astrophys a shared stake in building up

855
00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:54,810
our public healthcare system so that we

856
00:45:00,080 --> 00:44:56,340
never have a situation where we don't

857
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:00,090
have adequate supplies masks or testing

858
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,060
for a virus or some sort of illness that

859
00:45:07,550 --> 00:45:06,000
we have to track and contain and I think

860
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:07,560
clearly we got to do something about our

861
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:09,510
healthcare system we can't have people

862
00:45:16,310 --> 00:45:12,450
worried here in the United States about

863
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,320
paying bills related to emergency room

864
00:45:21,230 --> 00:45:18,240
visits related to chronic health

865
00:45:23,620 --> 00:45:21,240
conditions the insurance companies in

866
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,630
this country as far as I'm concerned are

867
00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:25,920
organized crime with a refrigerator

868
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,700
magnet and they have set themselves in

869
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:31,920
opposition to Public Health by setting

870
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:35,280
up a model where they have to deny a

871
00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:38,130
certain number of claims legitimate

872
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:40,230
claims to maintain the profitability

873
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:42,450
that they have established as their

874
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:44,970
benchmark that has to change we need a

875
00:45:51,020 --> 00:45:48,510
change and a quick one in in public

876
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:51,030
health policy so I'm hoping those are

877
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:51,930
things that are going to come out of

878
00:45:57,530 --> 00:45:54,690
this crisis and there's there's another

879
00:45:59,780 --> 00:45:57,540
there's another part in this too as well

880
00:46:03,670 --> 00:45:59,790
and I mentioned this last night on the

881
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:03,680
show when we talk about some of these

882
00:46:10,940 --> 00:46:06,450
different ideas out there is global

883
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:10,950
warming real is it natural is it

884
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:13,440
man-made did we cause it well we don't

885
00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:17,250
know the answers there's too many people

886
00:46:22,730 --> 00:46:19,860
debating this issue that are certainly

887
00:46:27,530 --> 00:46:22,740
clouding it and and confusing everyone

888
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,540
but with this reset that we have done

889
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:30,000
and I'm talking about no boats or

890
00:46:36,350 --> 00:46:32,910
cruising right there's no cars on the

891
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:36,360
road the factories are shut down the

892
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:40,410
pollution in in India and and China and

893
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:41,730
it's certainly here in the United States

894
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:45,050
that is constant all of that has ended

895
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:47,970
isn't this a weird situation that maybe

896
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:52,380
Gaia herself has forced a reset and

897
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:56,460
maybe it could change this global

898
00:47:02,240 --> 00:46:59,400
warming situation where we have toned

899
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:02,250
things down for a few months that we

900
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:02,650
would

901
00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:05,800
I've never done before well you know

902
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:07,240
it's interesting everything is always a

903
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,070
polarity whenever we're faced with a

904
00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:11,680
crisis we can go in the direction of

905
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:13,840
something constructive and helpful as

906
00:47:19,500 --> 00:47:15,970
you're describing or we can go in the

907
00:47:23,550 --> 00:47:19,510
direction of growing smaller and growing

908
00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:23,560
more isolated and growing more deeply

909
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:24,700
into denial

910
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:28,090
obviously we're faced we're kind of on a

911
00:47:34,650 --> 00:47:30,790
precipice here and we can go one way or

912
00:47:37,410 --> 00:47:34,660
another but it would seem to me that if

913
00:47:40,110 --> 00:47:37,420
we're thinking as a human community if

914
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:40,120
we're thinking we realize that we are

915
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:42,670
indelibly connected in terms of

916
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:45,820
environment in terms of health in terms

917
00:47:50,850 --> 00:47:48,850
of not only financial transactions but

918
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:50,860
every form of biological human

919
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:53,680
transaction and we're going to have to

920
00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:56,050
adjust our society to deal with that

921
00:48:00,990 --> 00:47:57,790
we're gonna have to be prepared for that

922
00:48:03,630 --> 00:48:01,000
there's no environmental division today

923
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:03,640
at this moment between the haves and the

924
00:48:09,090 --> 00:48:06,910
have-nots the haves can of course flee

925
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:09,100
New York City and maybe go to their

926
00:48:13,590 --> 00:48:12,010
houses and the Hamptons or if you're in

927
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:13,600
Europe you know go to one of your

928
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:15,940
beach-front villas yeah you know that

929
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:17,890
may be possible for the time being

930
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:21,520
but it's it's a pretty thin escape it's

931
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:24,130
a pretty thin escape and I think there's

932
00:48:28,590 --> 00:48:25,830
no difference right now health-wise

933
00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:28,600
between the haves and the have-nots in

934
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:30,940
terms of the global spread of this

935
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:33,190
pandemic and we as a human community

936
00:48:37,020 --> 00:48:35,050
have got to deal with that I've got to

937
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:37,030
come to terms with that and we've got to

938
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:38,770
start thinking about more rational forms

939
00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:41,710
of organization in our country I think

940
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,240
we have to more rational new organized

941
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:45,280
health care and we'll see if that occurs

942
00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:47,710
in the immediate years ahead do you

943
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:50,500
think it's possible that we can go back

944
00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:58,240
to having our amnesia question yeah and

945
00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:00,970
and and just you know go just fall back

946
00:49:05,490 --> 00:49:03,670
right into our old ways and and once

947
00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:05,500
everything is better and and Wall Street

948
00:49:10,410 --> 00:49:07,750
starts hopping again the next thing you

949
00:49:12,450 --> 00:49:10,420
know or right back on you know getting

950
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:12,460
the the truck back onto the road and

951
00:49:16,410 --> 00:49:15,370
driving well I suspect there will be

952
00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:16,420
some permanent

953
00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:18,790
just I think back to World War one for

954
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:20,830
example here you have this horrific

955
00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:23,800
pointless war that dragged on for years

956
00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:26,350
and years and years more people's lives

957
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:29,230
were claimed by the influenza epidemic

958
00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:32,590
than on the battlefield and people were

959
00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:34,660
profoundly affected by it there were

960
00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:38,020
changes in societies particularly in

961
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:40,060
Europe but in other parts of the world I

962
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:42,010
think there are going to be some changes

963
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:44,680
coming out of this now here in New York

964
00:49:48,690 --> 00:49:45,300
City

965
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:48,700
Amazon maintains a warehouse and some of

966
00:49:53,730 --> 00:49:51,580
the workers went on a one-day walkout

967
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:53,740
because they felt they weren't being

968
00:50:00,360 --> 00:49:56,170
given adequate health protections well

969
00:50:03,530 --> 00:50:00,370
today Amazon fired one of the workers

970
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:03,540
there who was a organizer of this

971
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:06,730
walkout and they claimed that it was

972
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:09,400
because he violated social distancing

973
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:11,770
rules that was obviously just a pretext

974
00:50:15,870 --> 00:50:14,530
for firing the guy and I look at that

975
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:15,880
and they say to myself you know here's a

976
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,610
very vulnerable person who tried to do

977
00:50:24,510 --> 00:50:21,280
something positive in my estimation he

978
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:24,520
got fired for it will Amazon be held

979
00:50:30,780 --> 00:50:28,390
accountable if companies like Amazon and

980
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:30,790
some of these other global companies are

981
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:33,250
held accountable we'll start to see

982
00:50:37,410 --> 00:50:35,170
changes if we don't hold them

983
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:37,420
accountable that's when the amnesia is

984
00:50:41,010 --> 00:50:39,340
going to start to set in as you're

985
00:50:42,420 --> 00:50:41,020
describing and we're just going to go

986
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:42,430
back to business as usual

987
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:44,830
although will there be a business as

988
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:46,330
usual let's go back to you know that's

989
00:50:52,830 --> 00:50:49,870
that's an open question itself and I

990
00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:52,840
want to actually this is a good segue

991
00:50:59,370 --> 00:50:56,620
over to your article that was just

992
00:51:02,880 --> 00:50:59,380
published on medium called reclaiming

993
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:02,890
the Damned and the the title of the

994
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:05,640
article and you need to go back into the

995
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:08,530
historical side of this which you do

996
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:11,710
really well to explain the title of it

997
00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:21,900
where's Mitch going with this you point

998
00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:24,940
out something at the beginning of the

999
00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:28,270
article which is in the intellectual

1000
00:51:32,049 --> 00:51:29,150
circle

1001
00:51:35,140 --> 00:51:32,059
in Manhattan and you specifically bring

1002
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:35,150
up the Guggenheim yeah and the

1003
00:51:40,329 --> 00:51:37,490
intellectual circles there which

1004
00:51:44,650 --> 00:51:40,339
includes things like the New York Times

1005
00:51:48,509 --> 00:51:44,660
and and society in New York that is very

1006
00:51:51,579 --> 00:51:48,519
well read and they consider themselves

1007
00:51:53,380 --> 00:51:51,589
realists that they are in front of the

1008
00:51:57,099 --> 00:51:53,390
news and they know what's going on and

1009
00:52:01,269 --> 00:51:57,109
and you point this out and then you

1010
00:52:05,999 --> 00:52:01,279
bring up this part of society in New

1011
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:06,009
York now talking about of all things

1012
00:52:16,059 --> 00:52:13,450
UFOs right on right right and so now it

1013
00:52:19,089 --> 00:52:16,069
how is that possible

1014
00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:19,099
right now you explain how it happened in

1015
00:52:26,019 --> 00:52:21,740
the article but let's actually start

1016
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:26,029
there were you were you surprised

1017
00:52:32,670 --> 00:52:28,970
obviously you were because you wrote the

1018
00:52:36,130 --> 00:52:32,680
article but to have this happen to you

1019
00:52:39,279 --> 00:52:36,140
you know a citizen of New York and part

1020
00:52:42,940 --> 00:52:39,289
of this culture how surprised were you

1021
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:42,950
as it started to unfold I was quite

1022
00:52:50,789 --> 00:52:45,369
surprised and when paradigm shifts occur

1023
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:50,799
they occur quickly there's a lot that

1024
00:52:56,650 --> 00:52:53,450
underlies these shifts there's a lot

1025
00:52:58,589 --> 00:52:56,660
that underscores these shifts you and

1026
00:53:02,400 --> 00:52:58,599
your listeners have certainly been

1027
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:02,410
involved for many many many years in

1028
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:04,910
investigating and bringing legitimacy to

1029
00:53:11,769 --> 00:53:07,609
the UFO question and for many many years

1030
00:53:14,499 --> 00:53:11,779
the opinion making organs of media and

1031
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:14,509
academia have often pushed back and said

1032
00:53:17,859 --> 00:53:16,369
oh you know you guys are a bunch of

1033
00:53:19,779 --> 00:53:17,869
flying saucer not so you believe in

1034
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:19,789
little green men and it dawned on me

1035
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:23,390
very concretely last year that those

1036
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:24,230
days are over

1037
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:26,930
that argument is over that intellectual

1038
00:53:33,489 --> 00:53:30,650
position is spent you can no longer be a

1039
00:53:37,210 --> 00:53:33,499
serious person in our society today in

1040
00:53:40,839 --> 00:53:37,220
any reach of our society and deny the

1041
00:53:42,099 --> 00:53:40,849
validity deny the validity of the UFO

1042
00:53:45,549 --> 00:53:42,109
question

1043
00:53:49,630 --> 00:53:45,559
that intellectual position is gone and

1044
00:53:52,359 --> 00:53:49,640
no longer exists and this dawned on me

1045
00:53:53,950 --> 00:53:52,369
one night where I was at the Guggenheim

1046
00:53:55,779 --> 00:53:53,960
Museum is you were referencing and I

1047
00:53:59,279 --> 00:53:55,789
talked about this in the article it was

1048
00:54:03,549 --> 00:53:59,289
in September of 2019 and the Guggenheim

1049
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,559
hosted a panel with Gordon white in

1050
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:05,119
Diana pisanka

1051
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:09,650
on the UFO question and the auditorium

1052
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:12,710
was absolutely packed and I thought to

1053
00:54:16,779 --> 00:54:15,140
myself this is a weird occurrence

1054
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:16,789
because you don't exactly think of the

1055
00:54:23,259 --> 00:54:20,559
Guggenheim Museum as a fount of

1056
00:54:26,979 --> 00:54:23,269
paranormal investigation discussion

1057
00:54:28,749 --> 00:54:26,989
activity and and they were sanctioning

1058
00:54:30,940 --> 00:54:28,759
this discussion and at the end the

1059
00:54:33,759 --> 00:54:30,950
curator who organized that a guy named

1060
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,769
Troy therian wonderful scholar wonderful

1061
00:54:38,410 --> 00:54:36,319
thinker who runs the architecture

1062
00:54:40,569 --> 00:54:38,420
collection at the Guggenheim Troy came

1063
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:40,579
up to me and he said let me ask you a

1064
00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:42,470
question at what point do you think it's

1065
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:44,390
going to become intellectually

1066
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,130
embarrassing for people to dismiss the

1067
00:54:54,819 --> 00:54:51,680
UFO thesis and I said you know in all

1068
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:54,829
honesty right now right now in the

1069
00:54:58,359 --> 00:54:55,609
here-and-now

1070
00:54:59,650 --> 00:54:58,369
you can't be a serious person whether

1071
00:55:02,200 --> 00:54:59,660
you're a journalist whether you're an

1072
00:55:06,430 --> 00:55:02,210
academic whatever walk of life you're in

1073
00:55:10,509 --> 00:55:06,440
and deny the UFO question any more than

1074
00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:10,519
you can a deny that the Earth revolves

1075
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:12,950
around the Sun you know this question is

1076
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:17,089
real it's live and the fact is your

1077
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:20,690
listeners should take a moment to pat

1078
00:55:24,970 --> 00:55:22,910
themselves on the back maybe just a

1079
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:24,980
moment but they should take a moment to

1080
00:55:30,999 --> 00:55:27,170
pat themselves on the back because they

1081
00:55:33,700 --> 00:55:31,009
kept this question percolating and there

1082
00:55:37,299 --> 00:55:33,710
have been sufficient disclosures at this

1083
00:55:39,609 --> 00:55:37,309
point so that this question is now a

1084
00:55:42,099 --> 00:55:39,619
basic part of our cultural landscape we

1085
00:55:44,499 --> 00:55:42,109
got to figure out what this stuff is but

1086
00:55:48,940 --> 00:55:44,509
that it exists that's no longer in

1087
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:48,950
question I find it interesting that and

1088
00:55:54,190 --> 00:55:51,410
you point this out in the article and we

1089
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certainly talked about it enough is that

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the question of

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being alone in the universe okay I think

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I think that no matter what background

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you have that it's an impossible

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situation we are not alone there's

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absolutely there are billions

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it may be an infinite number of

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intelligent civilizations out there but

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it now it needs to be addressed from a

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scientific standpoint about the how and

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the why and let's go and pursue this the

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other part of it that foundation is

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there and it's solid and and most like

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you said you can't really be an

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intellectual in today's society and

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being a position of denial that's right

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it's over that position is not legit so

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now we have to start to ask ourselves

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hopefully in a more productive way all

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right let's get together in an

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interdisciplinary way and ask what is

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going on right now you you made an

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interesting point you said look

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statistically speaking it's impossible

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that we are the only intelligent beings

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in the universe that is a statistical

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fact but one way that we might be able

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to expand our discussion is to ask what

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do we mean by universe because we were

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all raised to think of universe as

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physical space as this vast infinite

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physical space and I think the place

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that the UFO question is going and this

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00:57:31,089 --> 00:57:29,420
has already begun this is not new but I

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think the place that it's going in

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earnest and bringing other questions

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with it including questions of ESP

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phenomena including questions of reports

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of strange beasts or anomalies or

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natural wonders I think these questions

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are starting to go in the direction of

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an interdimensional thesis because when

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we deal with an interdimensional thesis

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based on some of the experiments and the

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theorizing that have gone on both in

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quantum mechanics and within what is

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called string theory which we can go

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into

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it's actually simpler it's actually

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simpler to explain or to begin to move

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towards an explanation of the UFO

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phenomena and other related phenomena by

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considering the possibilities of intra

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interdimensional causations rather than

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thinking in terms of the possibilities

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of wow how could a spacecraft from so

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infinitely far away get here

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there of course theoretical theoretical

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models that that posit reasonable

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00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,760
hypotheses of that but if we want to use

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00:58:58,700 --> 00:58:55,980
the logic of Occam's razor which is to

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say that usually the simplest idea that

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00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:01,170
covers the broadest number of bases is

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the right idea I think the

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inter-dimensional thesis is where we

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should start focusing our energies

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00:59:14,270 --> 00:59:11,580
because if we look for a DNA a Bigfoot

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00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:14,280
for example we may never find that DNA

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00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:17,010
but that doesn't mean that the record of

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00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:20,610
testimony we have around anomalous

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00:59:25,850 --> 00:59:23,070
beasts or some kind of cryptozoological

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00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,860
beasts is wrong it means we may be

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00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,960
looking in the wrong place we may be

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00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:29,700
looking in the wrong place and that's

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where quantum theory and string theory I

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think starts to open doors to us it

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might help us understand where some of

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the stuff possibly could be coming from

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let's take our break right here Mitch

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and it's interesting that there isn't a

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culture there isn't a society on this

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planet going back 5,000 years on the

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planet that doesn't have the same

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stories they spread the heavy shiver hey

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share it all we'll be right back our

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guest tonight Mitch Horowitz live from

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Manhattan New York City be right back

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stay with us

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black our guest

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01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:20,690
tonight Mitch Horowitz we're discussing

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his most recent article which he

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describes as an umbrella theory of

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anomalies it's called reclaiming the

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Damned it was just published over on

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medium the links to the article or right

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there on all of our social media you

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need to go and check that out and I want

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everybody and I'm encouraging Mitch

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everybody to go and read the article and

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01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:46,890
some of the essence of the article I

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want to discuss right now when it comes

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01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:52,710
to the quantum mechanics and the quantum

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01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:56,160
theory and quantum physics angle that

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01:06:03,800 --> 01:05:58,619
you present there and I just want your

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opinion on a couple of things we we we

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like it in our community when science is

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is in lockstep with us right we enjoy

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that we need the legitimacy we need we

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need that but there is something

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interesting going on when it comes to

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quantum theory and quantum mechanics

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where these physicists put their

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mathematics the equations into words

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they describe what they are working on

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and a few of the ideas they they want

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the world to accept is the multi world

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01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:43,680
theory the multiverse Theory extra

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dimensions parallel worlds entanglement

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fantastical science fiction based

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statements from them but they will say

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that there is no life after death that

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there are no ghosts there is no religion

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01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:07,500
there is you know it's it's really weird

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how they want to have their cake and eat

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01:07:15,290 --> 01:07:12,240
it too and it doesn't make sense to me

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01:07:18,020 --> 01:07:15,300
what do you think of that well sometimes

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I think in the in it maybe in

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generations past maybe this will change

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in the near future maybe we'll even see

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this change within our own generation

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and we can't hung up on vocabulary words

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you know people will talk about

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life after death and immediately it

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divides people immediately people start

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to think in terms of concepts of

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religion that they grew up with and they

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either embraced or they fled or they

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rejected same thing with ghosts same

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thing with higher intelligence or higher

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power

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it could be that we've just been using

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the wrong vocabulary because you made

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reference for example to the many worlds

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theory within quantum physics the many

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worlds theory is one of the most

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extraordinary theories of life that has

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emerged within the modern era and

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basically it comes down to the fact that

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within quantum physics a subatomic

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particle exists in a wave state it

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exists in an infinite state it's

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everywhere at once until someone takes a

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measurement when the measurement is

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taken only then only then does the wave

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State collapse into a particle state so

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to speak and the particle the object

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becomes localized in one definable place

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now the fact is if an object previously

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existed everywhere at once and only

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comes to a final resting place when an

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observer takes a measurement that means

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that there are a whole serial universe

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of possibilities of reality this is what

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is meant by the many worlds theory if

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you take a measurement or if you don't

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take a measurement if you wait five

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minutes if you go somewhere and come

1357
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:11,100
back whatever the variables are you have

1358
01:09:17,420 --> 01:09:14,190
created different outcomes for that

1359
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:17,430
particle you have created a past present

1360
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:20,930
future for that particle and this is

1361
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:24,690
until you observe it and write anybody

1362
01:09:32,660 --> 01:09:28,620
not observing it you have created the

1363
01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:32,670
infinite possibilities and until you

1364
01:09:39,470 --> 01:09:34,440
come back and make that what they call

1365
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:39,480
the QM right the measurement then those

1366
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:41,460
those possibilities have not been

1367
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:43,890
determined yet that's it it is a

1368
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:46,980
mind-blowing concept and so they want

1369
01:09:55,370 --> 01:09:52,020
you to go into this a science fiction

1370
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:55,380
arthur c clarke world right they want

1371
01:10:02,570 --> 01:09:58,760
you to accept that part of it but

1372
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:02,580
interdimensional ''tis of say a Bigfoot

1373
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:06,420
or a leprechaun or a fairy or a ghost

1374
01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:09,840
any of this they don't want to go there

1375
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:12,540
but they want you to accept the

1376
01:10:19,070 --> 01:10:15,210
possibility of it happening it's it's

1377
01:10:21,380 --> 01:10:19,080
it's it's bizarre to me yeah we're we're

1378
01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:21,390
sort of a house divided you know and

1379
01:10:25,670 --> 01:10:23,340
right and and and and it's very

1380
01:10:29,420 --> 01:10:25,680
paradoxical the physicist Erwin

1381
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:29,430
Schrodinger in the 1930s voiced some of

1382
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:31,170
the same frustrations with quantum

1383
01:10:36,380 --> 01:10:33,480
theory that you were just describing he

1384
01:10:39,770 --> 01:10:36,390
said hey look you know we are recording

1385
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,780
all this data that dictates these wild

1386
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:42,000
conclusions but were not coming to terms

1387
01:10:46,250 --> 01:10:44,489
with it so he created a thought

1388
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:46,260
experiment called Schrodinger's cat

1389
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:49,980
where he said in essence if you take a

1390
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,130
cat and you put this cat into a pair of

1391
01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:55,920
boxes and you put a collar on this cat

1392
01:11:01,580 --> 01:10:58,500
that trips a poison when it's exposed to

1393
01:11:03,950 --> 01:11:01,590
a single atom and you direct an atom at

1394
01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:03,960
those boxes and then you go to check on

1395
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:06,420
the cat is the cat dead or alive well

1396
01:11:12,650 --> 01:11:09,600
common sense would dictate gee if the

1397
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,660
atom went into the empty box then the

1398
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:15,360
cat is alive if the atom went into the

1399
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:17,730
box with the cat and the poisonous

1400
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,800
device on its collar it would trip the

1401
01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:22,080
device and the cat is dead that's what

1402
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,020
our macro reality tells us but

1403
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:26,880
Schrodinger said you could actually

1404
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:29,310
demonstrate that at one point before you

1405
01:11:34,970 --> 01:11:32,250
checked the atom was in a wave state so

1406
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:34,980
it had to be in both boxes at once the

1407
01:11:39,650 --> 01:11:37,350
empty box and the box with the cat which

1408
01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:39,660
means you would have to allow for the

1409
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:44,040
existence of a dead alive cat both

1410
01:11:50,930 --> 01:11:47,280
outcomes would have to be considered

1411
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:50,940
real based on 80 years of quantum

1412
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:52,670
mechanics experiments

1413
01:11:56,710 --> 01:11:54,890
blow their mind because how could both

1414
01:11:59,230 --> 01:11:56,720
outcomes be real how could you have a

1415
01:12:01,690 --> 01:11:59,240
dead alive cat this is where the serial

1416
01:12:04,330 --> 01:12:01,700
universe theory the many worlds theory

1417
01:12:07,420 --> 01:12:04,340
comes in there are these different

1418
01:12:10,330 --> 01:12:07,430
realities that coexist if we are to

1419
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:10,340
follow the implications of quantum

1420
01:12:15,730 --> 01:12:13,250
theory who's to say that in one of these

1421
01:12:18,580 --> 01:12:15,740
realities there's not something we call

1422
01:12:21,250 --> 01:12:18,590
Bigfoot we call a ghost we call a

1423
01:12:23,110 --> 01:12:21,260
leprechaun these are just words we call

1424
01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:23,120
a flying saucer these are just

1425
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:25,630
vocabulary words they don't necessarily

1426
01:12:30,430 --> 01:12:28,520
represent reality they're markers for

1427
01:12:34,060 --> 01:12:30,440
reality but who's to say that those

1428
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:34,070
experiences aren't as concretely real as

1429
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:37,280
the experience of a dead alive cat they

1430
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:39,410
just don't fit our linear paradigm of

1431
01:12:44,980 --> 01:12:41,770
thinking but quantum theory dictates

1432
01:12:47,050 --> 01:12:44,990
that such things have to exist so when

1433
01:12:49,390 --> 01:12:47,060
we talk about ghosts when we talk about

1434
01:12:51,670 --> 01:12:49,400
life after death it may just be that

1435
01:12:53,410 --> 01:12:51,680
we're using the wrong vocabulary and we

1436
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,420
can all start to get together around

1437
01:12:59,050 --> 01:12:56,000
these ideas if we don't get attached to

1438
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,060
our individual vocabulary words now when

1439
01:13:05,170 --> 01:13:01,280
it comes to observation and making those

1440
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:05,180
measurements is there a segment of

1441
01:13:11,980 --> 01:13:09,050
society a big segment of society around

1442
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:11,990
the world that because and it goes back

1443
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:13,850
to Schrodinger's cat right that because

1444
01:13:20,140 --> 01:13:17,450
they don't make the measurements right

1445
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:20,150
they don't make the observations then

1446
01:13:26,830 --> 01:13:24,010
they don't see these other possibilities

1447
01:13:28,450 --> 01:13:26,840
the Bigfoots of the world or the UFOs

1448
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:28,460
and they can go through their whole

1449
01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:31,130
lives not and then the other segment

1450
01:13:36,700 --> 01:13:34,190
which you know the the eyewitness

1451
01:13:40,660 --> 01:13:36,710
testimony the observations of which I am

1452
01:13:43,930 --> 01:13:40,670
one of those people because I'm open to

1453
01:13:47,290 --> 01:13:43,940
these observations I get to see Bigfoot

1454
01:13:49,870 --> 01:13:47,300
right I get to see UFOs I get to see

1455
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:49,880
Schrodinger's cat isn't isn't that what

1456
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:52,010
we're dealing with that's a great

1457
01:13:55,450 --> 01:13:52,670
question

1458
01:13:59,410 --> 01:13:55,460
you know I my sense of things is that

1459
01:14:03,070 --> 01:13:59,420
sometimes we capture glimpses of these

1460
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:03,080
interdimensional manifestations and it

1461
01:14:08,260 --> 01:14:05,540
could be accidental it

1462
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:08,270
would be based on perspective it could

1463
01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:10,730
be based on a proclivity to accept this

1464
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:14,060
data it could be just because somehow we

1465
01:14:21,370 --> 01:14:17,570
get interrupted in our ordinary train of

1466
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:21,380
thought some interruption occurs and we

1467
01:14:26,350 --> 01:14:23,690
suddenly gain access

1468
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:26,360
perhaps my perspective perhaps by some

1469
01:14:33,250 --> 01:14:29,690
kind of accident to seeing things as

1470
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:33,260
they really are and then of course we go

1471
01:14:37,690 --> 01:14:35,450
back to our ordinary five sensory

1472
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:37,700
existence we have to go back to our

1473
01:14:42,690 --> 01:14:39,590
ordinary five entry existence because

1474
01:14:45,820 --> 01:14:42,700
it's probably necessary for us to

1475
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:45,830
navigate through life we go look we

1476
01:14:52,170 --> 01:14:48,470
function believing in linear time for

1477
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:52,180
example linear time feels absolutely

1478
01:14:59,200 --> 01:14:55,850
concretely real to us we use it we need

1479
01:15:01,540 --> 01:14:59,210
it to organize our lives but we also

1480
01:15:04,810 --> 01:15:01,550
know if we peel back a layer of the

1481
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:04,820
onion that linearity is an illusion

1482
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:07,370
it's been demonstrated that time bends

1483
01:15:14,620 --> 01:15:12,170
at or near light speed so if a living

1484
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:14,630
being is travelling at or near light

1485
01:15:21,250 --> 01:15:18,050
speed the aging process of that living

1486
01:15:24,750 --> 01:15:21,260
being will actually slow down will

1487
01:15:27,370 --> 01:15:24,760
actually slow down so time itself is

1488
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:27,380
relative something Einstein initially

1489
01:15:34,150 --> 01:15:31,030
demonstrated to us time collapses in

1490
01:15:36,190 --> 01:15:34,160
environments of extreme gravity like

1491
01:15:39,330 --> 01:15:36,200
black holes so there are circumstances

1492
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:39,340
under which time bends time is not the

1493
01:15:46,780 --> 01:15:42,890
orderly linear sliding scale that we

1494
01:15:49,570 --> 01:15:46,790
think it is however we're very limited

1495
01:15:51,730 --> 01:15:49,580
in our perspective and we need a sense

1496
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:51,740
of linear time or we wouldn't be able to

1497
01:15:57,250 --> 01:15:54,320
function but we can also acknowledge if

1498
01:15:59,800 --> 01:15:57,260
we if we look at the implications of the

1499
01:16:03,610 --> 01:15:59,810
theory of relativity that linear time

1500
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:03,620
doesn't really exist it is a device it

1501
01:16:08,440 --> 01:16:06,290
is a device so there's all kinds of

1502
01:16:10,780 --> 01:16:08,450
things going on in the world that we

1503
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:10,790
only very occasionally capture glimpses

1504
01:16:17,380 --> 01:16:13,610
of it happens all the time whether it's

1505
01:16:18,370 --> 01:16:17,390
in the skies in your home outside of

1506
01:16:21,879 --> 01:16:18,380
your peripheral

1507
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:21,889
vision the this has gone on for

1508
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,080
thousands of years you you tell a story

1509
01:16:30,970 --> 01:16:28,400
that wants you to share with the

1510
01:16:34,899 --> 01:16:30,980
audience right now about your trip to

1511
01:16:36,729 --> 01:16:34,909
Belize and the taxi driver and and and

1512
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:36,739
can you please share that with us it's

1513
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:39,920
an extraordinary story actually all the

1514
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:41,090
way to the end all the way to the

1515
01:16:46,899 --> 01:16:43,850
boulder let's start let's start with the

1516
01:16:49,899 --> 01:16:46,909
drive in the taxi what happened well I

1517
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:49,909
was in the nation of I've been to Belize

1518
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:53,449
a few times but this happened about 20

1519
01:16:57,300 --> 01:16:55,610
years ago I was in the nation of Belize

1520
01:16:59,229 --> 01:16:57,310
which is a very beautiful

1521
01:17:02,860 --> 01:16:59,239
english-speaking country in Central

1522
01:17:05,010 --> 01:17:02,870
America it's it's it's on the Caribbean

1523
01:17:07,780 --> 01:17:05,020
bordered by Mexico and Guatemala

1524
01:17:11,740 --> 01:17:07,790
beautiful country and I was in Belize

1525
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:11,750
and I was staying at this eco lodge I

1526
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:14,210
guess you would say way up in the hills

1527
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:17,510
in the highlands and this eco lodge was

1528
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:19,520
carved out of the hills by this

1529
01:17:25,330 --> 01:17:21,530
wonderful enterprising family from

1530
01:17:27,459 --> 01:17:25,340
Maryland just incredible people so I'm

1531
01:17:30,729 --> 01:17:27,469
going to this place and the taxi driver

1532
01:17:34,629 --> 01:17:30,739
who's taking us up this very very long

1533
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:34,639
hilly treacherous Drive in the highlands

1534
01:17:40,209 --> 01:17:37,730
of Belize says you know as soon as I

1535
01:17:43,390 --> 01:17:40,219
drop you guys off I'm gonna turn around

1536
01:17:46,180 --> 01:17:43,400
and I'm gonna speed the hell out of here

1537
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:46,190
and I said why and he said because there

1538
01:17:52,450 --> 01:17:49,250
are little men who live in these hills

1539
01:17:54,370 --> 01:17:52,460
and if you're walking around in the

1540
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:54,380
woods or something one of these little

1541
01:17:58,990 --> 01:17:56,810
men will come up behind you and when you

1542
01:18:00,729 --> 01:17:59,000
turn around and see him you'll be so

1543
01:18:03,810 --> 01:18:00,739
frightened that your voice will get

1544
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:03,820
frozen in your throat and these guys

1545
01:18:08,740 --> 01:18:06,409
scare me and as soon as I drop you off

1546
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,750
I'm gonna get out of here and I thought

1547
01:18:14,020 --> 01:18:10,880
well you know this is just a cab driver

1548
01:18:15,790 --> 01:18:14,030
playing scared the tourists and I wasn't

1549
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:15,800
very happy about it and take it very

1550
01:18:22,620 --> 01:18:19,489
seriously the next day we were canoeing

1551
01:18:26,110 --> 01:18:22,630
on a very very quiet stretch of river

1552
01:18:28,629 --> 01:18:26,120
below the lodge and we were going for a

1553
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:28,639
while maybe a couple of miles and we

1554
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:30,530
were on a stretch of river that was so

1555
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:31,730
quiet it

1556
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:33,650
just dead still there wasn't even the

1557
01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:36,290
sound of birds in the air and it began

1558
01:18:41,170 --> 01:18:38,390
saying to one of my travelling partners

1559
01:18:43,180 --> 01:18:41,180
that I was pissed off at this cabbie

1560
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:43,190
from yesterday that I thought he was

1561
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:45,710
just trying to frighten us and you know

1562
01:18:49,420 --> 01:18:47,570
telling us these stories about little

1563
01:18:53,470 --> 01:18:49,430
men in the Hills and suddenly out of

1564
01:18:55,990 --> 01:18:53,480
nowhere this Boulder comes crashing down

1565
01:18:58,300 --> 01:18:56,000
the hill and comes landing in the water

1566
01:19:00,250 --> 01:18:58,310
right in front of us and I kind of got

1567
01:19:03,070 --> 01:19:00,260
spooked and thought maybe I should watch

1568
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:03,080
what I say because part of the legends

1569
01:19:06,820 --> 01:19:05,450
around a Lucius which are these little

1570
01:19:09,250 --> 01:19:06,830
men that are said to occupy the

1571
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:09,260
Highlands in Central America the Irish

1572
01:19:13,090 --> 01:19:11,120
you know have their names they call them

1573
01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:13,100
leprechauns different names in Africa

1574
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:14,660
different names all over the world but

1575
01:19:18,970 --> 01:19:16,250
every culture has these legends these

1576
01:19:20,710 --> 01:19:18,980
stories part of the legend is that if

1577
01:19:23,380 --> 01:19:20,720
you talk about them you actualize them

1578
01:19:25,900 --> 01:19:23,390
if you talk about them in effect in

1579
01:19:27,790 --> 01:19:25,910
quantum language you're taking a

1580
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:27,800
measurement you're selecting you're

1581
01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:29,810
bringing the thing into existence so I

1582
01:19:34,810 --> 01:19:31,910
don't know you know I'm having a little

1583
01:19:37,180 --> 01:19:34,820
fun with this story but I'm not beyond

1584
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:37,190
suggesting that maybe some of these

1585
01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:38,810
legends and some of what we learn about

1586
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:41,630
in quantum physics start to converge at

1587
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:43,760
a certain point maybe talking about

1588
01:19:48,460 --> 01:19:46,010
something maybe believing in something

1589
01:19:50,890 --> 01:19:48,470
maybe ascribing reality to something

1590
01:19:53,050 --> 01:19:50,900
it's not just a matter of suggestion

1591
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,060
it's not just a matter of confirmation

1592
01:19:58,450 --> 01:19:55,760
bias but maybe it's an active selection

1593
01:20:00,130 --> 01:19:58,460
maybe it's a measurement and to avoid

1594
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:00,140
the quantum measurement and the

1595
01:20:07,780 --> 01:20:03,650
observation you should probably speak

1596
01:20:12,190 --> 01:20:07,790
about them in the third person move from

1597
01:20:14,410 --> 01:20:12,200
the conversation and and and not make

1598
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:14,420
the direct observation

1599
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:17,450
I'm sure cultures have developed that

1600
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:19,489
technique haven't they well it's

1601
01:20:24,370 --> 01:20:22,880
interesting you know we in Ireland

1602
01:20:25,330 --> 01:20:24,380
actually they they don't use the term

1603
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:25,340
leprechaun

1604
01:20:33,820 --> 01:20:28,730
they use the term other crowd the other

1605
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:33,830
crowd now it's funny in Ireland several

1606
01:20:42,430 --> 01:20:39,170
years ago there was a highway that was

1607
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:42,440
being newly constructed and the

1608
01:20:49,469 --> 01:20:44,729
blueprints of the highway

1609
01:20:51,989 --> 01:20:49,479
required engineers to bulldoze over what

1610
01:20:54,209 --> 01:20:51,999
was considered a fairy bush or a domain

1611
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:54,219
of leprechauns and there was a

1612
01:20:57,089 --> 01:20:56,050
folklorist who's a friend of mine though

1613
01:21:00,089 --> 01:20:57,099
I haven't been in touch with him in

1614
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:00,099
several years named Eddie Lenihan who

1615
01:21:07,129 --> 01:21:02,530
documents stories about the other crowd

1616
01:21:09,930 --> 01:21:07,139
and he undertook a campaign that

1617
01:21:11,819 --> 01:21:09,940
compelled the government to reroute the

1618
01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:11,829
highway so it didn't cut through the

1619
01:21:16,109 --> 01:21:14,320
fairy bush because Eddie's contention

1620
01:21:18,509 --> 01:21:16,119
and the contention of a lot of

1621
01:21:21,989 --> 01:21:18,519
traditionally minded folk in Ireland is

1622
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:21,999
that if you bulldoze a fairy bush the

1623
01:21:27,509 --> 01:21:24,610
entities who considered that home are

1624
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:27,519
going to cause severe mischief like

1625
01:21:32,729 --> 01:21:30,070
accidents on the highway so they decided

1626
01:21:35,219 --> 01:21:32,739
to reroute the highway so traditional

1627
01:21:37,589 --> 01:21:35,229
minded folk in Ireland of which there

1628
01:21:39,299 --> 01:21:37,599
are more than you might suspect right

1629
01:21:40,589 --> 01:21:39,309
they don't say leprechauns because they

1630
01:21:43,949 --> 01:21:40,599
don't want to call these mischievous

1631
01:21:45,899 --> 01:21:43,959
little beings into their into their

1632
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:45,909
perspective they say the other crowd

1633
01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:48,400
they they disguise it a little bit do

1634
01:21:55,379 --> 01:21:52,209
you think that there will be a day where

1635
01:21:57,660 --> 01:21:55,389
the the great physicists of the world

1636
01:21:59,850 --> 01:21:57,670
and you know a theoretical physicist and

1637
01:22:03,390 --> 01:21:59,860
a quantum physicist that you know you

1638
01:22:05,580 --> 01:22:03,400
can measure them in dozens right there's

1639
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:05,590
not that many of them at the

1640
01:22:10,890 --> 01:22:08,530
professional level but you know I think

1641
01:22:15,719 --> 01:22:10,900
Sean Carroll said the other day in an

1642
01:22:18,029 --> 01:22:15,729
interview I said there's 150 of him on

1643
01:22:20,459 --> 01:22:18,039
the planet that's a very small number

1644
01:22:24,989 --> 01:22:20,469
but they're very influential and a lot

1645
01:22:27,660 --> 01:22:24,999
of them have elevated to rock star level

1646
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:27,670
right with this admiration do you think

1647
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:30,489
there will come a day where they will

1648
01:22:37,620 --> 01:22:34,570
take a step back and go okay ghosts are

1649
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:37,630
real that there is an after that

1650
01:22:43,140 --> 01:22:40,090
consciousness is something that we are

1651
01:22:47,129 --> 01:22:43,150
going to now study in physics we're

1652
01:22:51,530 --> 01:22:47,139
going to figure out what is making this

1653
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:51,540
happen instead of going down this

1654
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:56,410
agnostic atheist road of there's nothing

1655
01:23:00,810 --> 01:22:58,210
else to wonder about in the universe do

1656
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:00,820
you think that would actually happen you

1657
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:02,170
know that's an interesting question

1658
01:23:08,730 --> 01:23:04,630
because if you had asked me that

1659
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:08,740
question maybe a year ago I would have

1660
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:12,010
sounded a gloomy note you know I think

1661
01:23:16,340 --> 01:23:13,660
last time I was on the show actually I

1662
01:23:20,340 --> 01:23:16,350
was talking about how successful

1663
01:23:22,740 --> 01:23:20,350
skeptics have been at hounding ESP

1664
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:22,750
research off of college campuses right

1665
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:24,430
and I think last time I was on the show

1666
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:26,920
I was saying that we have lost about a

1667
01:23:33,450 --> 01:23:29,770
generation of research maybe thirty

1668
01:23:36,510 --> 01:23:33,460
years of research progress into ESP here

1669
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:36,520
in the United States because critics

1670
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:39,010
have been so successful they have handed

1671
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:41,050
off campuses but my outlook has changed

1672
01:23:47,190 --> 01:23:43,570
because I've seen this paradigm shift

1673
01:23:49,650 --> 01:23:47,200
occur very recently with regard to UFOs

1674
01:23:51,390 --> 01:23:49,660
and I do think authentically that things

1675
01:23:54,630 --> 01:23:51,400
are moving in the culture you know I

1676
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:54,640
remember about ten years ago I was at a

1677
01:24:00,590 --> 01:23:56,770
very small conference at the Esalen

1678
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:00,600
Institute and it was a gathering of some

1679
01:24:06,270 --> 01:24:02,770
writers and scholars and philosophers

1680
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,280
who specifically studied the esoteric

1681
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:09,040
and the idea was we want to hunker down

1682
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:11,050
and have a really serious discussion

1683
01:24:15,450 --> 01:24:12,790
about the field about what the

1684
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:15,460
possibilities are and Michael Murphy the

1685
01:24:21,870 --> 01:24:18,250
co-founder of Esalen was saying how

1686
01:24:24,540 --> 01:24:21,880
eager he was for more resources to be

1687
01:24:26,670 --> 01:24:24,550
dedicated to the UFO question that we

1688
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:26,680
had to research this we had to get our

1689
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:29,890
arms around what this is and someone

1690
01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:32,560
said to him look Mike you know the fact

1691
01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:34,750
is we do live in a very materialist

1692
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:38,380
culture and there's a wide swath of

1693
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:41,890
Americans who are never going to take

1694
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:45,310
seriously the UFO thesis unless they see

1695
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:47,710
something on radar well the fact is

1696
01:24:53,460 --> 01:24:50,650
flash-forward 10 years we have things on

1697
01:24:56,250 --> 01:24:53,470
radar we have cockpit video recordings

1698
01:24:59,400 --> 01:24:56,260
that appear on the front page of the New

1699
01:25:01,860 --> 01:24:59,410
York Times on the home page of CNN on

1700
01:25:04,890 --> 01:25:01,870
the home page of The Wall Street Journal

1701
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:04,900
this is a reality so we

1702
01:25:13,260 --> 01:25:08,340
period of ten years we have this

1703
01:25:17,340 --> 01:25:13,270
incontrovertible empirical data that

1704
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:17,350
speaks directly to the reality of the

1705
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:19,810
UFO thesis it's right there so it has

1706
01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:22,330
changed now I don't know that a

1707
01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:24,310
physicist is ever gonna use the term

1708
01:25:30,030 --> 01:25:27,310
ghost but he certainly may or she may

1709
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:30,040
come to the conclusion that we may be

1710
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:34,719
capturing glimpses of beings that exist

1711
01:25:40,770 --> 01:25:37,570
in some kind of superposition like these

1712
01:25:43,020 --> 01:25:40,780
particles that only localize when

1713
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:43,030
someone takes a measurement it could be

1714
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:45,370
that we're seeing things of another

1715
01:25:49,770 --> 01:25:47,650
dimensional nature and that that's a

1716
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:49,780
serious question they may never use the

1717
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,449
word ghost but but for differences in

1718
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:55,360
vocabulary we could be talking about the

1719
01:26:00,290 --> 01:25:57,760
same thing yeah when I hear these

1720
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:00,300
rockstar physicists you know make these

1721
01:26:07,919 --> 01:26:02,890
very flippant you know these offhand

1722
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:07,929
comments that suggest their time is too

1723
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:11,770
important spent on you know the

1724
01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:14,290
calculations and the numbers and and

1725
01:26:20,310 --> 01:26:18,760
working out the future because that's

1726
01:26:24,090 --> 01:26:20,320
you know it's all about probabilities

1727
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:24,100
and and the their time cannot be wasted

1728
01:26:29,820 --> 01:26:28,000
on life after death right or or the

1729
01:26:32,459 --> 01:26:29,830
question of ghosts and that's

1730
01:26:35,220 --> 01:26:32,469
disappointing when to me the research is

1731
01:26:36,930 --> 01:26:35,230
supporting these other questions and

1732
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:36,940
they should be asking those questions

1733
01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:39,010
and that's what science is about and

1734
01:26:45,209 --> 01:26:42,270
that's what disappoints me today well

1735
01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:45,219
there's always been a kind of wrestling

1736
01:26:53,070 --> 01:26:49,840
match in our culture between accepting

1737
01:26:56,220 --> 01:26:53,080
data and then probing the implications

1738
01:26:59,280 --> 01:26:56,230
of the data so we have all this quantum

1739
01:27:01,250 --> 01:26:59,290
data we have 80 years worth maybe 90

1740
01:27:04,140 --> 01:27:01,260
years worth of ice point all right and

1741
01:27:05,700 --> 01:27:04,150
the question is do we want to probe the

1742
01:27:08,959 --> 01:27:05,710
implications of the data

1743
01:27:12,899 --> 01:27:08,969
Erwin Schroedinger back in the 1930s was

1744
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:12,909
frustrated with the unwillingness of his

1745
01:27:18,510 --> 01:27:16,330
colleagues to acknowledge the surreal

1746
01:27:20,580 --> 01:27:18,520
implications of the data

1747
01:27:23,580 --> 01:27:20,590
so he created the Schrodinger's cat

1748
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:23,590
thought an experiment as a way to force

1749
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,650
them to at least begin to confront some

1750
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:29,520
of these questions now there's a

1751
01:27:36,270 --> 01:27:32,650
research psychiatrist named Jeffrey

1752
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,280
Schwartz at UCLA who for the past 20

1753
01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:37,920
years has been researching

1754
01:27:42,810 --> 01:27:40,360
neuroplasticity he has discovered

1755
01:27:46,590 --> 01:27:42,820
through brain scans that sustained

1756
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:46,600
thoughts will actually alter the neuro

1757
01:27:52,410 --> 01:27:49,020
pathways through which electrical

1758
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:52,420
impulses travel in your brain everyone

1759
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,330
accepts Schwartz's data the data is not

1760
01:27:59,880 --> 01:27:57,520
controversial it forms the backbone of

1761
01:28:03,450 --> 01:27:59,890
the field that we call neuroplasticity

1762
01:28:07,050 --> 01:28:03,460
and Schwartz to his credit to his credit

1763
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:07,060
makes the point that what were actually

1764
01:28:13,470 --> 01:28:10,570
seeing on a cellular level is mind over

1765
01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:13,480
matter this is mind over matter we're

1766
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:15,550
told that the brain produces thoughts

1767
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:18,610
not that thoughts produced the brain but

1768
01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:20,370
what we're seeing a narrow plasticity

1769
01:28:26,100 --> 01:28:23,020
experiments is sustained thought

1770
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:26,110
actually altering the cellular matter

1771
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:29,050
the neural pathways of your brain that

1772
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:32,170
has staggering implications if one

1773
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:33,850
follows those implications

1774
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:36,480
it basically wipes out the entire

1775
01:28:43,050 --> 01:28:39,850
materialist contention that thought is

1776
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:43,060
just an epiphenomena of brain because

1777
01:28:47,250 --> 01:28:45,370
it's demonstrating that thought whatever

1778
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:47,260
thought is that's an open question in

1779
01:28:52,430 --> 01:28:50,050
itself is altering the narrow pathways

1780
01:28:54,750 --> 01:28:52,440
of the brain and Schwartz who is

1781
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:54,760
probably the central figure in this

1782
01:29:00,930 --> 01:28:58,090
field he acknowledges the implications

1783
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:00,940
he acknowledges the implications and he

1784
01:29:08,460 --> 01:29:04,810
has been waging a campaign to get his

1785
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,470
own colleagues who accept his data to

1786
01:29:13,410 --> 01:29:10,960
also start to probe the implications so

1787
01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:13,420
there are some scientists who will

1788
01:29:19,230 --> 01:29:17,320
acknowledge this and I think if we've

1789
01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:19,240
been able to move the ball down the

1790
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:21,880
field this far where we've seen such a

1791
01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:23,770
paradigm shift in terms of public

1792
01:29:28,980 --> 01:29:25,870
perception of UFOs

1793
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:28,990
I think there's reason to feel hope

1794
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:32,000
genuine hope that we can open up

1795
01:29:37,450 --> 01:29:34,370
conversation now I know your quarantine

1796
01:29:40,150 --> 01:29:37,460
with coronavirus yes but we're gonna ask

1797
01:29:42,340 --> 01:29:40,160
you if I can keep you for one more

1798
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:42,350
segment can I keep it on just for one

1799
01:29:52,990 --> 01:29:51,230
more segment all right let's take our

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break right here this is fade to black

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our guest tonight Mitch Horowitz when we

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1200 archived broadcasts right there

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1891
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go to Jimmy Turks radio.com and click on

1892
01:35:17,050 --> 01:35:15,290
that podcast banner and also I want to

1893
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:17,060
mention really quick you can follow me

1894
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:19,130
on twitter IG a church radio you can

1895
01:35:23,740 --> 01:35:21,650
also follow Mitch on Twitter at Mitch

1896
01:35:26,470 --> 01:35:23,750
Horowitz and he's got that fancy blue

1897
01:35:28,330 --> 01:35:26,480
check mark right next to his name to

1898
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:28,340
make sure that you're not following an

1899
01:35:34,750 --> 01:35:31,810
impostor and you can go and do that also

1900
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:34,760
I want everybody to go and visit Mitch

1901
01:35:39,490 --> 01:35:37,280
Horowitz dot-com and also check out

1902
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:39,500
everything that he's got over at medium

1903
01:35:43,870 --> 01:35:42,560
because right now if you're staying at

1904
01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:43,880
home with nothing to do

1905
01:35:48,970 --> 01:35:46,460
I've got a great way for you to occupy

1906
01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:48,980
the next three weeks which is : treat

1907
01:35:54,670 --> 01:35:51,710
all of [\h__\h] stuff on medium it will

1908
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:54,680
certainly occupy your time now Mitch

1909
01:36:02,110 --> 01:35:58,400
this is the thing I like being a rebel

1910
01:36:04,630 --> 01:36:02,120
you are a rebel you dress the part

1911
01:36:09,130 --> 01:36:04,640
you've got the tats you look like a

1912
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:09,140
rebel and our community is a cool place

1913
01:36:14,380 --> 01:36:11,810
to go and just be a rebel and and get

1914
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:14,390
outside of society right that that

1915
01:36:25,210 --> 01:36:17,840
that's us today it's not that kind of

1916
01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:25,220
party everybody wants to be us now when

1917
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:27,230
you when you have an article in The New

1918
01:36:33,460 --> 01:36:30,170
York Times you know it's cool to be a

1919
01:36:34,300 --> 01:36:33,470
witch I'm not sure it's like be careful

1920
01:36:38,590 --> 01:36:34,310
what you wish for

1921
01:36:40,090 --> 01:36:38,600
well are you with me on this yeah we

1922
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:40,100
have to be careful not to become victims

1923
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:43,600
of our own success you know it's funny

1924
01:36:48,610 --> 01:36:46,850
witchcraft in particular is is becoming

1925
01:36:52,090 --> 01:36:48,620
very mainstream it's becoming very

1926
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:52,100
widespread it's it's one of the

1927
01:36:56,110 --> 01:36:54,170
fastest-growing new religious movements

1928
01:36:58,190 --> 01:36:56,120
in the world and it has been for a long

1929
01:37:00,080 --> 01:36:58,200
time and I celebrate it because

1930
01:37:03,470 --> 01:37:00,090
want people to have all kinds of

1931
01:37:06,770 --> 01:37:03,480
different ways of expressing themselves

1932
01:37:09,350 --> 01:37:06,780
and feeling that the widest range of

1933
01:37:11,780 --> 01:37:09,360
options are open to them and also honor

1934
01:37:13,610 --> 01:37:11,790
a great deal of the thought and writing

1935
01:37:16,370 --> 01:37:13,620
that comes out of the Wiccan in

1936
01:37:18,050 --> 01:37:16,380
witchcraft communities but of course you

1937
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:18,060
know everything gets commercialized in a

1938
01:37:21,890 --> 01:37:19,650
real hurry that's just the nature of

1939
01:37:23,450 --> 01:37:21,900
things right and we got to be careful

1940
01:37:25,580 --> 01:37:23,460
you know we got to be careful that we

1941
01:37:28,910 --> 01:37:25,590
don't just become another kind of

1942
01:37:31,460 --> 01:37:28,920
for-profit institutionalized religious

1943
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:31,470
expression it's real easy it's real easy

1944
01:37:37,070 --> 01:37:33,690
it's very easy for those of us in the

1945
01:37:39,530 --> 01:37:37,080
alternative spiritual culture to ape and

1946
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:39,540
to mimic some of the things you see

1947
01:37:44,450 --> 01:37:41,970
within religious movements there are

1948
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:44,460
there's one new-age organization that

1949
01:37:48,440 --> 01:37:46,530
publicly disassociated from me because

1950
01:37:50,330 --> 01:37:48,450
they felt that the stuff I was dealing

1951
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:50,340
with was too controversial and I thought

1952
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:52,530
wow these are people who think that

1953
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:53,970
they're into research and enlightenment

1954
01:38:00,860 --> 01:37:57,330
but they really shut down free thought

1955
01:38:03,380 --> 01:38:00,870
in a hurry when it ruffles feathers or

1956
01:38:05,060 --> 01:38:03,390
perhaps in dangers funding or something

1957
01:38:07,820 --> 01:38:05,070
of that nature whatever the case may be

1958
01:38:11,060 --> 01:38:07,830
it's human nature it's human nature and

1959
01:38:13,340 --> 01:38:11,070
we have to be on the lookout that we and

1960
01:38:15,650 --> 01:38:13,350
the alternative spiritual culture we in

1961
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:15,660
the so-called free thinking culture do

1962
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:18,480
not echo the very things that we came

1963
01:38:26,420 --> 01:38:20,730
here to get away from well you know I

1964
01:38:29,260 --> 01:38:26,430
equated to punk rock now stay with me on

1965
01:38:33,890 --> 01:38:29,270
this okay just stay with me on this in

1966
01:38:36,020 --> 01:38:33,900
when punk rock to be a part of the punk

1967
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:36,030
community certainly back in Los Angeles

1968
01:38:46,460 --> 01:38:42,210
or New York in the early 80s you you had

1969
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:46,470
to be brought in you couldn't walk in to

1970
01:38:52,820 --> 01:38:49,170
the punk rock community and and dress

1971
01:38:55,790 --> 01:38:52,830
the part and suddenly be accepted there

1972
01:38:58,580 --> 01:38:55,800
were imposters out there and there was a

1973
01:39:02,150 --> 01:38:58,590
line in the sand it's the same thing

1974
01:39:03,090 --> 01:39:02,160
today with with the spiritual movement

1975
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:03,100
and

1976
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:10,960
been screaming for attention we've been

1977
01:39:16,650 --> 01:39:14,050
screaming to be accepted and and for

1978
01:39:19,260 --> 01:39:16,660
people to listen to us but now I don't

1979
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:19,270
want the band Waggoner's right I don't

1980
01:39:26,180 --> 01:39:20,800
know I don't want those coming I've

1981
01:39:32,220 --> 01:39:29,580
I've always been into tarot cards you

1982
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:32,230
don't want the curator of the Guggenheim

1983
01:39:41,700 --> 01:39:33,970
to come up and go to can you give me a

1984
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:41,710
three card reading no I can't stand what

1985
01:39:46,020 --> 01:39:43,930
I'm saying yeah no I do I do you know

1986
01:39:48,060 --> 01:39:46,030
it's kind of this way like a friend of

1987
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,070
mine was saying everybody today thinks

1988
01:39:52,230 --> 01:39:50,320
the Ramones or professors think the

1989
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:52,240
Ramones are such a great band but back

1990
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:53,850
when the Ramones were actually alive

1991
01:39:58,910 --> 01:39:56,410
nobody was going to their concerts the

1992
01:40:01,620 --> 01:39:58,920
guys had to stay on the road you know

1993
01:40:03,210 --> 01:40:01,630
24/7 in order to make a living but today

1994
01:40:07,500 --> 01:40:03,220
you know everybody and their grandmother

1995
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:07,510
wears a Ramones t-shirt so you know

1996
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:10,650
there's a question of popularity

1997
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:13,690
compromising the community I think that

1998
01:40:19,590 --> 01:40:16,210
what's so important is that with

1999
01:40:22,740 --> 01:40:19,600
popularity must not come conformity must

2000
01:40:24,750 --> 01:40:22,750
not come a shutting down of the search

2001
01:40:28,230 --> 01:40:24,760
because the thing I always say to people

2002
01:40:31,230 --> 01:40:28,240
is that my one non-negotiable is my

2003
01:40:34,020 --> 01:40:31,240
search that is my one non-negotiable I

2004
01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:34,030
will never draw rameters around the

2005
01:40:38,580 --> 01:40:36,670
questions that I'm willing to ask the

2006
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:38,590
things that I'm willing to investigate

2007
01:40:43,860 --> 01:40:41,770
the inquiries that I want to make and if

2008
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:43,870
that means there are certain places I

2009
01:40:48,270 --> 01:40:46,450
can't go and certain relationships that

2010
01:40:50,190 --> 01:40:48,280
I can have so be it

2011
01:40:52,500 --> 01:40:50,200
so be it because everything is

2012
01:40:55,410 --> 01:40:52,510
negotiable but the search but the

2013
01:40:58,740 --> 01:40:55,420
questions so I don't want popularity or

2014
01:41:01,740 --> 01:40:58,750
I don't want mainstream acceptance or

2015
01:41:05,370 --> 01:41:01,750
the wish for mainstream acceptance to

2016
01:41:07,410 --> 01:41:05,380
compromise the principles of our search

2017
01:41:10,530 --> 01:41:07,420
Krishnamurthy the great spiritual

2018
01:41:13,770 --> 01:41:10,540
teacher made the point that the wish for

2019
01:41:17,010 --> 01:41:13,780
respectability is the greatest barrier

2020
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:17,020
to individual development

2021
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:18,130
and it's really important to remember

2022
01:41:25,380 --> 01:41:22,350
that because respectability can be very

2023
01:41:28,770 --> 01:41:25,390
seductive it can be very compelling but

2024
01:41:31,050 --> 01:41:28,780
it really can close down some of the

2025
01:41:32,990 --> 01:41:31,060
broader reaches of your own questioning

2026
01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:33,000
of your own search so I don't want

2027
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:36,490
popularity to impose conformity on us

2028
01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:39,520
yeah I call it selling out right yeah

2029
01:41:48,510 --> 01:41:42,790
and you know all of the rebels whether

2030
01:41:51,390 --> 01:41:48,520
it's in the arts or writing musicians it

2031
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:51,400
doesn't even rebels and politics were

2032
01:41:57,510 --> 01:41:54,210
the exceptions they weren't the rule

2033
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:57,520
right and as soon as as soon as you sell

2034
01:42:04,710 --> 01:42:01,840
out your inquisitiveness your your lust

2035
01:42:06,990 --> 01:42:04,720
for adventure and creativity tends to

2036
01:42:10,620 --> 01:42:07,000
fade you need to have the pressure kept

2037
01:42:12,270 --> 01:42:10,630
on you for having the rebel element and

2038
01:42:15,660 --> 01:42:12,280
and that's really the truth isn't it

2039
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:15,670
absolutely you know William Blake made

2040
01:42:20,420 --> 01:42:17,890
the wonderful statement in his in his

2041
01:42:23,310 --> 01:42:20,430
book The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

2042
01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:23,320
opposition is true friendship opposition

2043
01:42:28,650 --> 01:42:25,840
is true friendship and what I take that

2044
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:28,660
to mean is that whatever is pushing you

2045
01:42:36,500 --> 01:42:33,030
whatever is pushing you to expand to

2046
01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:36,510
challenge yourself to break through a

2047
01:42:42,270 --> 01:42:39,880
boundaries that's what's building you

2048
01:42:44,910 --> 01:42:42,280
that's what's helping you to grow but as

2049
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:44,920
soon as we settle into a kind of fixed

2050
01:42:50,850 --> 01:42:48,490
catechism or vocabulary or consensus

2051
01:42:52,940 --> 01:42:50,860
based way of doing things we don't have

2052
01:42:57,120 --> 01:42:52,950
a search anymore we have a congregation

2053
01:42:59,850 --> 01:42:57,130
perhaps but we don't have a search and I

2054
01:43:03,000 --> 01:42:59,860
want to well we're gonna stay on the

2055
01:43:06,750 --> 01:43:03,010
same theme here but there's something

2056
01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:06,760
else that you present in your article

2057
01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:10,150
and I want everybody to go and check it

2058
01:43:14,610 --> 01:43:12,400
out there's you've got a couple of film

2059
01:43:17,010 --> 01:43:14,620
clips in there I want everybody to read

2060
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:17,020
the article first and then get to the

2061
01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:19,290
clips actually by the way Mitch I

2062
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:21,700
finished the article and then I went

2063
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:24,250
back to the clips so write what

2064
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:27,010
everybody to do the same thing again the

2065
01:43:29,089 --> 01:43:28,570
article is called reclaiming the Damned

2066
01:43:31,310 --> 01:43:29,099
and we

2067
01:43:33,259 --> 01:43:31,320
everything up on social media where you

2068
01:43:36,859 --> 01:43:33,269
can go and check it out but you went

2069
01:43:39,259 --> 01:43:36,869
over to Egypt now I want to talk about

2070
01:43:44,509 --> 01:43:39,269
that but there was a rebel element in

2071
01:43:46,849 --> 01:43:44,519
there that I just smiled when I read

2072
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:46,859
what you said which is you went over

2073
01:43:52,759 --> 01:43:50,239
there and filmed without the appropriate

2074
01:43:56,599 --> 01:43:52,769
documents and approval from the

2075
01:43:58,189 --> 01:43:56,609
Egyptians yes you guys full-on rebeled

2076
01:44:01,639 --> 01:43:58,199
it you guys yeah

2077
01:44:04,969 --> 01:44:01,649
when went through and and filmed now

2078
01:44:07,129 --> 01:44:04,979
there's a certain edge to that isn't it

2079
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:07,139
the way that you are forced into

2080
01:44:12,859 --> 01:44:10,320
approaching this documentary knowing

2081
01:44:15,279 --> 01:44:12,869
that you could be arrested right you

2082
01:44:18,049 --> 01:44:15,289
could go eat some chips in jail food

2083
01:44:21,859 --> 01:44:18,059
right right it was a pretty heavy

2084
01:44:24,259 --> 01:44:21,869
experience the fact is we have a pretty

2085
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:24,269
we're making a documentary

2086
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:27,209
the director Ronnie Thomas was brilliant

2087
01:44:32,869 --> 01:44:29,010
Ronnie and I are making a documentary

2088
01:44:34,489 --> 01:44:32,879
about the occult book the Kabbalah on

2089
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:34,499
which is a very favorite book of mine

2090
01:44:39,349 --> 01:44:36,570
maybe a book that's well known to some

2091
01:44:42,049 --> 01:44:39,359
of your listeners and we wanted to probe

2092
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,059
the antecedents behind some of the ideas

2093
01:44:47,599 --> 01:44:44,159
in the Kabbalah on which itself was

2094
01:44:49,790 --> 01:44:47,609
published in 1908 but adapted some some

2095
01:44:53,029 --> 01:44:49,800
ancient hermetic ideas something that's

2096
01:44:55,580 --> 01:44:53,039
not easily understood so right we'd like

2097
01:44:57,949 --> 01:44:55,590
to do a documentary on this we got

2098
01:45:00,979 --> 01:44:57,959
funding we got very good funding but

2099
01:45:04,580 --> 01:45:00,989
nonetheless even even the budget that we

2100
01:45:08,599 --> 01:45:04,590
have which is which is good it wasn't

2101
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:08,609
sufficient to cover the cost of licences

2102
01:45:14,209 --> 01:45:11,119
to shoot in Egypt those licenses are

2103
01:45:16,729 --> 01:45:14,219
hugely expensive and we just could we

2104
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:16,739
just didn't have the resources so ronnie

2105
01:45:21,349 --> 01:45:19,199
insisted look man you know we have to go

2106
01:45:24,020 --> 01:45:21,359
back to the source we gotta shoot in

2107
01:45:25,399 --> 01:45:24,030
Egypt because in Egypt and he said you

2108
01:45:27,020 --> 01:45:25,409
know we're gonna find a way to do it

2109
01:45:29,119 --> 01:45:27,030
without paying for the licenses but we

2110
01:45:30,679 --> 01:45:29,129
have to be super careful because if they

2111
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:30,689
catch you filming there without a

2112
01:45:35,509 --> 01:45:33,570
license you will get arrested and put in

2113
01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:35,519
jail and that's gonna be a whole other

2114
01:45:42,729 --> 01:45:39,209
experience so basically long story short

2115
01:45:44,350 --> 01:45:42,739
we went there and we did some guerrilla

2116
01:45:47,410 --> 01:45:44,360
show me you know we did some guerrilla

2117
01:45:49,660 --> 01:45:47,420
filmmaking we did what we could we got

2118
01:45:53,290 --> 01:45:49,670
some extraordinary footage had some

2119
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:53,300
incredible experiences and yeah your

2120
01:45:58,950 --> 01:45:55,489
listeners can check out these video

2121
01:46:02,169 --> 01:45:58,960
clips both of which are situated in

2122
01:46:04,319 --> 01:46:02,179
Egypt and you'll be quite amazed at what

2123
01:46:06,189 --> 01:46:04,329
we were able to get albeit

2124
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:06,199
surreptitiously I wish we could have

2125
01:46:10,359 --> 01:46:08,090
afforded licenses but we just couldn't

2126
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:10,369
but we didn't want that to get in the

2127
01:46:14,500 --> 01:46:12,320
way of an exchange of ideas

2128
01:46:16,660 --> 01:46:14,510
well that's they when you were like I

2129
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:16,670
said you keep the edge on right

2130
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:19,610
you're the rebel you capture another

2131
01:46:25,509 --> 01:46:22,130
element you really do it's another it's

2132
01:46:28,569 --> 01:46:25,519
another mindset and I want you to share

2133
01:46:30,549 --> 01:46:28,579
there's two experiences there and one I

2134
01:46:33,129 --> 01:46:30,559
want you to talk about both really quick

2135
01:46:34,989 --> 01:46:33,139
before we have to say good night I would

2136
01:46:36,970 --> 01:46:34,999
like to talk about the bull in the

2137
01:46:39,220 --> 01:46:36,980
Valley of the Kings that was an

2138
01:46:43,930 --> 01:46:39,230
extraordinary experience and then I want

2139
01:46:49,450 --> 01:46:43,940
to get over to segment and the segment

2140
01:46:50,890 --> 01:46:49,460
situation was not entirely revealed I

2141
01:46:53,140 --> 01:46:50,900
mean at least to me so I have some

2142
01:46:55,660 --> 01:46:53,150
questions about that sure but let's go

2143
01:46:58,319 --> 01:46:55,670
to the Valley of the Kings what happened

2144
01:47:03,189 --> 01:46:58,329
over there well the Valley of the Kings

2145
01:47:06,069 --> 01:47:03,199
contains crypts very deeply ensconced

2146
01:47:09,339 --> 01:47:06,079
below the normal tourist areas and we

2147
01:47:12,279 --> 01:47:09,349
were able to pay money and get down to a

2148
01:47:15,549 --> 01:47:12,289
crypt that normally is closed off and

2149
01:47:17,979 --> 01:47:15,559
within this crypt there are base reliefs

2150
01:47:20,859 --> 01:47:17,989
carved into the walls that are actually

2151
01:47:25,319 --> 01:47:20,869
still colorized I mean these are 3,000

2152
01:47:29,620 --> 01:47:25,329
years old and because this is a very dry

2153
01:47:32,919 --> 01:47:29,630
temperate cave like environment this

2154
01:47:36,009 --> 01:47:32,929
material has been preserved and a guide

2155
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:36,019
invited me to lay hands on the enormous

2156
01:47:40,629 --> 01:47:38,690
face relief of a bull which was a symbol

2157
01:47:43,839 --> 01:47:40,639
of great strength and virility to the

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01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:43,849
ancient Egyptians and I was hesitant at

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01:47:48,850 --> 01:47:46,880
first because obviously if everybody

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01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:48,860
were to lay hands on antiquities it

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01:47:53,290 --> 01:47:50,449
would destroy them it would degrade them

2162
01:47:54,259 --> 01:47:53,300
and I take that very seriously we all

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01:47:56,540 --> 01:47:54,269
suffered

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01:47:59,180 --> 01:47:56,550
yes yeah I felt I was being offered a

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01:48:01,729 --> 01:47:59,190
gift and I accepted the gift and so I

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01:48:04,850 --> 01:48:01,739
laid hands on this magnificent 3,000

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01:48:06,919 --> 01:48:04,860
year old colorized bass relief of a bull

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01:48:08,899 --> 01:48:06,929
and I can only tell you and your

2169
01:48:11,689 --> 01:48:08,909
listeners what my experience was I mean

2170
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:11,699
just absolute lightning shot through my

2171
01:48:17,180 --> 01:48:13,199
body it was the most extraordinary

2172
01:48:19,609 --> 01:48:17,190
palpable experience and when you have an

2173
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:19,619
experience like that you might be

2174
01:48:23,299 --> 01:48:21,210
getting a glimpse of what some of our

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01:48:25,549 --> 01:48:23,309
primordial ancestors may have

2176
01:48:27,859 --> 01:48:25,559
experienced around these monuments so I

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01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:27,869
felt incredibly privileged to be able to

2178
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:33,119
do that well okay when you say lightning

2179
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:38,400
right we are all imagining what this

2180
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:41,760
moment was like what was going through

2181
01:48:46,850 --> 01:48:44,010
your mind was there a visual that

2182
01:48:51,470 --> 01:48:46,860
accompanied this yes my eyes were closed

2183
01:48:53,779 --> 01:48:51,480
and I I felt or saw within I suppose you

2184
01:48:55,879 --> 01:48:53,789
could say a tremendous flash of light

2185
01:48:58,669 --> 01:48:55,889
and I felt an electrical current go

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01:49:01,100 --> 01:48:58,679
through my body not in a disturbing way

2187
01:49:03,859 --> 01:49:01,110
not in a negative way but this vibratory

2188
01:49:06,169 --> 01:49:03,869
current and it was a palpable experience

2189
01:49:08,270 --> 01:49:06,179
of course one could say well gee Mitch's

2190
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:08,280
a suggestible guy and that was his

2191
01:49:13,100 --> 01:49:11,010
imagination acting overtime maybe it was

2192
01:49:15,759 --> 01:49:13,110
I don't know The Critic wouldn't know

2193
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:15,769
but that was the experience that I had

2194
01:49:24,589 --> 01:49:21,210
many researchers have commented to me on

2195
01:49:29,209 --> 01:49:24,599
this program that there are certain

2196
01:49:31,250 --> 01:49:29,219
places in Egypt that we connect with as

2197
01:49:33,770 --> 01:49:31,260
an individual it's not the same for

2198
01:49:35,509 --> 01:49:33,780
everybody else right that's a great

2199
01:49:39,049 --> 01:49:35,519
observation right right you will find

2200
01:49:40,729 --> 01:49:39,059
that spot that changes you do you think

2201
01:49:42,830 --> 01:49:40,739
that's what happened in the Valley of

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01:49:44,959 --> 01:49:42,840
the Kings yes I think that's a wonderful

2203
01:49:48,290 --> 01:49:44,969
observation because you know for example

2204
01:49:52,279 --> 01:49:48,300
we went obviously we visited the great

2205
01:49:55,640 --> 01:49:52,289
pyramids and Ronny got to go inside one

2206
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:55,650
of the sarcophagi inside the King's

2207
01:50:00,529 --> 01:49:58,159
Chamber and I was surprisingly

2208
01:50:03,169 --> 01:50:00,539
indifferent to the experience the great

2209
01:50:06,319 --> 01:50:03,179
pyramids obviously you're in front of

2210
01:50:07,939 --> 01:50:06,329
history you fall to your knees in awe of

2211
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:07,949
the antiquity but

2212
01:50:13,339 --> 01:50:10,530
it wasn't for me a higher experience it

2213
01:50:16,939 --> 01:50:13,349
wasn't an experience out of the ordinary

2214
01:50:19,850 --> 01:50:16,949
and in terms of something tactile

2215
01:50:21,620 --> 01:50:19,860
something palpable right the valley of

2216
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:21,630
kings experienced touching the base

2217
01:50:26,839 --> 01:50:24,719
really for the bull that was that was so

2218
01:50:29,209 --> 01:50:26,849
I think that observation really makes a

2219
01:50:32,180 --> 01:50:29,219
lot of sense did Ronnie have the same

2220
01:50:33,799 --> 01:50:32,190
experience he didn't really have the

2221
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:33,809
same experience you know I mean he had

2222
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:36,690
his other his own private experiences I

2223
01:50:41,419 --> 01:50:38,729
I'd have to defer to him you know to

2224
01:50:44,750 --> 01:50:41,429
talk about that but you know that

2225
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:44,760
experience was my own now let's get over

2226
01:50:52,660 --> 01:50:48,090
to two segments now what what is

2227
01:50:56,919 --> 01:50:52,670
interesting here I'm going to let you

2228
01:51:00,890 --> 01:50:56,929
walk us through this but as I'm reading

2229
01:51:04,129 --> 01:51:00,900
your experience

2230
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:04,139
this was done in total darkness yeah

2231
01:51:10,339 --> 01:51:07,170
that that's got to add to the moment but

2232
01:51:14,299 --> 01:51:10,349
I'm setting everybody up for this okay

2233
01:51:16,759 --> 01:51:14,309
now let's start at the beginning

2234
01:51:18,500 --> 01:51:16,769
you've got two money changes hands

2235
01:51:21,259 --> 01:51:18,510
you're bribing your way into this

2236
01:51:25,069 --> 01:51:21,269
situation let's start from there what

2237
01:51:28,189 --> 01:51:25,079
happened we entered a very small temple

2238
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:28,199
two segment off the beaten path within

2239
01:51:34,819 --> 01:51:30,570
the temple complex of Karnak which is a

2240
01:51:38,239 --> 01:51:34,829
vast complex and off the path of normal

2241
01:51:41,089 --> 01:51:38,249
tourist sights there's a padlock small

2242
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:41,099
temple to the cat goddess Sekhmet

2243
01:51:49,100 --> 01:51:45,119
we paid to enter we entered and we were

2244
01:51:51,709 --> 01:51:49,110
guided inside total pitch blackness you

2245
01:51:54,199 --> 01:51:51,719
know I mean and here is this edifice

2246
01:51:57,259 --> 01:51:54,209
that is thousands of years old and not a

2247
01:51:59,330 --> 01:51:57,269
nook or cranny is open to let light in

2248
01:52:02,629 --> 01:51:59,340
and this total pitch blackness we were

2249
01:52:05,149 --> 01:52:02,639
directed to lay hands on the statue of

2250
01:52:09,459 --> 01:52:05,159
this goddess and say a prayer to her and

2251
01:52:14,359 --> 01:52:09,469
again I just felt this absolute sense of

2252
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:14,369
a kind of melting away of a sense of

2253
01:52:18,770 --> 01:52:17,130
separateness between myself and between

2254
01:52:21,490 --> 01:52:18,780
the being that was in front of me I just

2255
01:52:25,370 --> 01:52:21,500
felt this sense of apps

2256
01:52:28,250 --> 01:52:25,380
transcendental oneness oneness it was a

2257
01:52:30,170 --> 01:52:28,260
total izing experience where your body

2258
01:52:32,150 --> 01:52:30,180
your mind your emotions are completely

2259
01:52:34,940 --> 01:52:32,160
unified and yet you don't feel like

2260
01:52:37,190 --> 01:52:34,950
you're separate from the environment it

2261
01:52:42,380 --> 01:52:37,200
was it was a transcendent experience and

2262
01:52:45,410 --> 01:52:42,390
do was was this done in Egyptian or was

2263
01:52:50,780 --> 01:52:45,420
this done in English well the guide who

2264
01:52:54,590 --> 01:52:50,790
brought us into the chamber he was an

2265
01:52:56,900 --> 01:52:54,600
Egyptian guy but he spoke to us in in

2266
01:52:58,970 --> 01:52:56,910
English and he gave us instruction in

2267
01:53:01,190 --> 01:52:58,980
English and he said some prayers did

2268
01:53:09,230 --> 01:53:01,200
some some chanting with us while we were

2269
01:53:12,590 --> 01:53:09,240
in there and I have to say profound I'm

2270
01:53:16,220 --> 01:53:12,600
sorry profound oh it was tremendous

2271
01:53:18,710 --> 01:53:16,230
experience I mean it was amazing I had a

2272
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:18,720
deeper experience there in the dark of

2273
01:53:25,910 --> 01:53:21,840
that small chamber maybe about 10 feet

2274
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:25,920
by 10 feet than I did in the shadow of

2275
01:53:30,050 --> 01:53:27,840
the Great Pyramids you know so it is

2276
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:30,060
very personal it's funny how you

2277
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,330
approach these magnificent remnants of

2278
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:36,000
ancient empires and you're filled with

2279
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:38,250
all these prejudices and expectations of

2280
01:53:42,380 --> 01:53:40,800
what you're going to experience but it

2281
01:53:45,140 --> 01:53:42,390
always takes you by surprise always

2282
01:53:47,870 --> 01:53:45,150
takes you by surprise what is it I mean

2283
01:53:52,100 --> 01:53:47,880
it's such a broad question but what is

2284
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:52,110
it that the ancient Egyptians understood

2285
01:53:59,810 --> 01:53:56,970
and respected that has been completely

2286
01:54:01,580 --> 01:53:59,820
lost on us today it's it's amazing isn't

2287
01:54:04,190 --> 01:54:01,590
it we're talking about three four five

2288
01:54:07,610 --> 01:54:04,200
thousand years old and you know

2289
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:07,620
sometimes I think it's funny you know we

2290
01:54:11,810 --> 01:54:09,330
look back on the ancient Egyptians that

2291
01:54:14,030 --> 01:54:11,820
were in awe of their architectural

2292
01:54:21,490 --> 01:54:14,040
abilities their mathematical abilities

2293
01:54:24,740 --> 01:54:21,500
all kinds of of unprecedented epic

2294
01:54:26,570 --> 01:54:24,750
creations that emerged from this Empire

2295
01:54:28,220 --> 01:54:26,580
which extended for thousands of years

2296
01:54:30,170 --> 01:54:28,230
one of the things I think we've

2297
01:54:33,230 --> 01:54:30,180
neglected are their metaphysical

2298
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:33,240
insights the our ancient ancestors in

2299
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:34,560
Egypt and the

2300
01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:37,290
lenok world in Persia and India our

2301
01:54:43,460 --> 01:54:41,610
ancient ancestors they looked upon the

2302
01:54:45,770 --> 01:54:43,470
natural world they looked upon the

2303
01:54:48,140 --> 01:54:45,780
energies of the natural world and they

2304
01:54:50,450 --> 01:54:48,150
personified these things they deified

2305
01:54:54,110 --> 01:54:50,460
these things they gave them names like

2306
01:54:57,200 --> 01:54:54,120
Zeus or Minerva or set or Bastet

2307
01:54:59,420 --> 01:54:57,210
they gave the energies names personified

2308
01:55:01,640 --> 01:54:59,430
them they worshiped them they petitioned

2309
01:55:02,990 --> 01:55:01,650
them and they had these relationships

2310
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:03,000
with these energies that went on for

2311
01:55:08,300 --> 01:55:05,610
thousands of years and it seems to me

2312
01:55:10,940 --> 01:55:08,310
that we modern people have completely

2313
01:55:13,670 --> 01:55:10,950
overlooked this we we haven't taken the

2314
01:55:16,460 --> 01:55:13,680
time to ask maybe their understanding of

2315
01:55:18,290 --> 01:55:16,470
the natural world were so vastly deeper

2316
01:55:20,840 --> 01:55:18,300
than our own and maybe there's something

2317
01:55:22,910 --> 01:55:20,850
to learn there may be having

2318
01:55:27,830 --> 01:55:22,920
relationships with these personified

2319
01:55:30,410 --> 01:55:27,840
energies is a legitimate inquiry on the

2320
01:55:32,540 --> 01:55:30,420
spiritual path I believe it is I believe

2321
01:55:34,610 --> 01:55:32,550
it is and I think we should start to

2322
01:55:36,740 --> 01:55:34,620
resurrect and rediscover some of those

2323
01:55:39,110 --> 01:55:36,750
ideas do you ever release date for the

2324
01:55:41,630 --> 01:55:39,120
documentary I don't have a release date

2325
01:55:43,970 --> 01:55:41,640
but we're looking towards summer of 2020

2326
01:55:46,190 --> 01:55:43,980
of course with the pandemic everything

2327
01:55:47,750 --> 01:55:46,200
has gotten scrambled so we'll see you

2328
01:55:50,150 --> 01:55:47,760
know maybe instead of summer it'll move

2329
01:55:53,380 --> 01:55:50,160
to fall but I'll be updating people on

2330
01:55:56,090 --> 01:55:53,390
social media now everything has been

2331
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:56,100
stopped and I understand that but you

2332
01:56:00,620 --> 01:55:57,840
spend a lot of time out here in Los

2333
01:56:03,050 --> 01:56:00,630
Angeles when are you coming out this way

2334
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:03,060
again do you have any idea as soon as

2335
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:05,850
humanly possible I love the city of Los

2336
01:56:10,850 --> 01:56:08,970
Angeles and look if things start to go

2337
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:10,860
back to normal maybe in the month of

2338
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:14,930
July I'll be out there there's a

2339
01:56:19,670 --> 01:56:17,130
performance space they're called provoke

2340
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:19,680
studio that's opening up in Chinatown I

2341
01:56:26,150 --> 01:56:23,130
I know I'm gonna be speaking there it's

2342
01:56:29,390 --> 01:56:26,160
it's just as soon as we can make it

2343
01:56:30,890 --> 01:56:29,400
happen and if people want to catch me

2344
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:30,900
before I'm able to get back out on the

2345
01:56:36,260 --> 01:56:33,840
road on the shutter channel there's a

2346
01:56:39,050 --> 01:56:36,270
new documentary series premiering a

2347
01:56:41,570 --> 01:56:39,060
Thursday night called cursed films

2348
01:56:43,430 --> 01:56:41,580
it's a five-part documentary series I'm

2349
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:43,440
in the opening episode about the

2350
01:56:47,330 --> 01:56:44,970
Exorcist so that's something people

2351
01:56:48,419 --> 01:56:47,340
could check out on shutter that's

2352
01:56:51,399 --> 01:56:48,429
premiering

2353
01:56:55,290 --> 01:56:51,409
Thursday night thank you so much Mitch

2354
01:56:57,639 --> 01:56:55,300
and and please get better be safe

2355
01:57:02,350 --> 01:56:57,649
hopefully we're going to be out in front

2356
01:57:06,909 --> 01:57:02,360
and around this worldwide crisis that is

2357
01:57:08,319 --> 01:57:06,919
is I've just we're all experiencing it

2358
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:08,329
together and you're right there in the

2359
01:57:13,049 --> 01:57:10,610
middle of it and so please get better

2360
01:57:15,669 --> 01:57:13,059
get healthy get through it here to LA

2361
01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:15,679
everybody check out shutter on Thursday

2362
01:57:20,739 --> 01:57:18,649
night and certainly me Horowitz calm and

2363
01:57:23,770 --> 01:57:20,749
you can follow Mitch right here on

2364
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:23,780
Twitter at Mitch Horowitz like I said

2365
01:57:28,989 --> 01:57:26,570
with that fancy blue checkmark [\h__\h]

2366
01:57:30,850 --> 01:57:28,999
thank you so much my friend what I

2367
01:57:32,889 --> 01:57:30,860
creamy amber say is your pleasure thank

2368
01:57:35,049 --> 01:57:32,899
you it's really lifted me up appreciate

2369
01:57:37,509 --> 01:57:35,059
it either the best Thank You Mitch thank

2370
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:37,519
you and I'm gonna take a quick break

2371
01:57:42,969 --> 01:57:40,130
right here Thank You Mitch Mitch's he's

2372
01:57:45,279 --> 01:57:42,979
on the mend and that's the good news I

2373
01:57:46,739 --> 01:57:45,289
am going to take a quick break I'm gonna

2374
01:57:49,659 --> 01:57:46,749
come back and open up the phone lines

2375
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:49,669
let's have some chats I'll be right back

2376
01:57:52,630 --> 01:57:50,570
after this short break

2377
01:57:56,950 --> 01:57:52,640
stay with us

2378
01:58:04,080 --> 01:57:59,390
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01:59:47,470 --> 01:59:46,130
been drinking that has had great results

2418
01:59:50,410 --> 01:59:47,480
for over 20 years

2419
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:50,420
it's called life changed tea and it's

2420
01:59:54,850 --> 01:59:52,250
specially formulated to help detoxify

2421
01:59:57,550 --> 01:59:54,860
and cleanse your kidneys liver colon and

2422
01:59:59,110 --> 01:59:57,560
blood all at once the colon is one of

2423
02:00:01,720 --> 01:59:59,120
the most ignored organs in the human

2424
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:01,730
body the faster that waste is eliminated

2425
02:00:05,530 --> 02:00:03,530
from the body the less time that way

2426
02:00:07,450 --> 02:00:05,540
sits in our intestines spreading toxins

2427
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:07,460
to our bloodstream this tea helps

2428
02:00:11,650 --> 02:00:09,410
cleanse chemicals caused by outside

2429
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:11,660
intruders from our entire digestive

2430
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:14,330
system and get this weight loss can be a

2431
02:00:17,780 --> 02:00:15,690
side effect

2432
02:00:19,790 --> 02:00:17,790
with continued use of the tea you can

2433
02:00:22,340 --> 02:00:19,800
experience clearer healthier younger

2434
02:00:24,170 --> 02:00:22,350
looking skin increased energy and a

2435
02:00:25,490 --> 02:00:24,180
happier outlook on life so if you're

2436
02:00:28,250 --> 02:00:25,500
tired of being tired

2437
02:00:29,060 --> 02:00:28,260
get the life change tea at get the tea

2438
02:00:33,670 --> 02:00:29,070
calm

2439
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:33,680
you'll be glad you did

2440
02:00:37,580 --> 02:00:35,850
did you know that when you're on the

2441
02:00:40,040 --> 02:00:37,590
road with limited data or Wi-Fi

2442
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:40,050
available you can still listen to every

2443
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:41,970
minute of fade to black by just calling

2444
02:00:47,780 --> 02:00:44,730
six oh five five six two four four eight

2445
02:00:50,270 --> 02:00:47,790
two no smartphone app or Internet needed

2446
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:50,280
it saves your data plan and no extra

2447
02:00:55,670 --> 02:00:52,890
cost if you have unlimited minutes just

2448
02:00:57,860 --> 02:00:55,680
call six oh five five six two four four

2449
02:01:00,860 --> 02:00:57,870
eight two you can listen to me Jimmy

2450
02:01:07,420 --> 02:01:00,870
Church on any phone anytime anywhere

2451
02:01:11,459 --> 02:01:09,120
[Music]

2452
02:01:13,750 --> 02:01:11,469
[Applause]

2453
02:01:17,860 --> 02:01:13,760
you want to know a secret

2454
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:17,870
I love police I really love ponies I'm

2455
02:01:25,330 --> 02:01:20,810
serious I couldn't stay sane without

2456
02:01:30,569 --> 02:01:25,340
poor mr. Brooks I fade to black because

2457
02:01:34,569 --> 02:01:32,439
this is fade to black

2458
02:01:38,260 --> 02:01:34,579
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

2459
02:01:40,650 --> 02:01:38,270
radio network and kgr a the global radio

2460
02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:40,660
alliance

2461
02:01:59,950 --> 02:01:56,320
welcome back fade to black and want to

2462
02:02:01,930 --> 02:01:59,960
thank Mitch Horowitz great conversation

2463
02:02:05,020 --> 02:02:01,940
Mitch is on the Mandy's got

2464
02:02:07,510 --> 02:02:05,030
coronaviruses right there in Manhattan

2465
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:07,520
and you know I spoke to him last week

2466
02:02:12,790 --> 02:02:09,890
and he wasn't feeling so hot last week

2467
02:02:14,710 --> 02:02:12,800
and and he said but it's just too

2468
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:14,720
important plus I've been a quarantine

2469
02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:17,570
man I need to think about the show I

2470
02:02:24,010 --> 02:02:19,970
said okay all right let's set let's do

2471
02:02:26,260 --> 02:02:24,020
this and we felt that he was only gonna

2472
02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:26,270
have the energy to go so long now our

2473
02:02:30,280 --> 02:02:28,610
bringing in calls right now when you

2474
02:02:32,770 --> 02:02:30,290
hear my voice and then it goes silent

2475
02:02:35,620 --> 02:02:32,780
I'm just putting you on hold okay so I

2476
02:02:38,380 --> 02:02:35,630
will get to everybody and so there you

2477
02:02:40,150 --> 02:02:38,390
go - stay right there do not hang I'm

2478
02:02:43,120 --> 02:02:40,160
opening up the phone line seven four

2479
02:02:44,830 --> 02:02:43,130
seven two two eight two zero five one

2480
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:44,840
for the rest of the show we got two

2481
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:47,570
segments left a seven for seven two two

2482
02:02:53,170 --> 02:02:50,450
eight two zero five one

2483
02:02:56,410 --> 02:02:53,180
but anyway so bringing Mitch on the show

2484
02:02:58,810 --> 02:02:56,420
tonight he sounded so much better and I

2485
02:03:02,430 --> 02:02:58,820
could have and I want to thank Mitch I

2486
02:03:07,660 --> 02:03:02,440
could have talked him into you know what

2487
02:03:09,460 --> 02:03:07,670
let him get his rest and and I could

2488
02:03:11,470 --> 02:03:09,470
tell he wanted to keep on going but it's

2489
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:11,480
not just the right prudent fresh thing

2490
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:14,570
to do so Mitch get some rest thank you

2491
02:03:20,590 --> 02:03:17,450
so much great conversation and I want to

2492
02:03:23,290 --> 02:03:20,600
point out a couple of things a one well

2493
02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:23,300
you know when you're a rebel right when

2494
02:03:29,160 --> 02:03:27,170
you are a rebel in in this society when

2495
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:29,170
you are rebel that's when the creativity

2496
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:32,960
flows and and you're just - are just

2497
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:35,450
going against the grain and that's what

2498
02:03:38,560 --> 02:03:37,280
mitch has always done that's what this

2499
02:03:41,500 --> 02:03:38,570
show was about that's what this

2500
02:03:44,970 --> 02:03:41,510
community is about and making the

2501
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:44,980
comparison back to the punk rock world

2502
02:03:51,310 --> 02:03:48,530
is a real one and you can't be in a

2503
02:03:55,180 --> 02:03:51,320
posture here and we are rebels in this

2504
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:55,190
community and we want acceptance we want

2505
02:03:58,780 --> 02:03:57,050
to be recognized and we want people to

2506
02:04:02,229 --> 02:03:58,790
understand what we are talking about

2507
02:04:04,390 --> 02:04:02,239
here but I don't want the bad Wagoner's

2508
02:04:06,010 --> 02:04:04,400
you know I don't I don't want that I

2509
02:04:06,310 --> 02:04:06,020
don't want I don't want to become part

2510
02:04:10,690 --> 02:04:06,320
of

2511
02:04:14,440 --> 02:04:10,700
pop culture the status quo no I just uh

2512
02:04:16,570 --> 02:04:14,450
when I see somebody some kid you know

2513
02:04:20,620 --> 02:04:16,580
there's somebody in their 20s wearing a

2514
02:04:24,700 --> 02:04:20,630
misfits shirt right a wasted youth

2515
02:04:28,360 --> 02:04:24,710
t-shirt yeah come on man you can go up

2516
02:04:29,950 --> 02:04:28,370
to tell me a wasted youth song right now

2517
02:04:31,330 --> 02:04:29,960
and they will look at you like what

2518
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:31,340
who's that

2519
02:04:35,770 --> 02:04:33,770
well you're wearing this shirt you know

2520
02:04:39,370 --> 02:04:35,780
that's what I'm talking about you can't

2521
02:04:43,150 --> 02:04:39,380
walk around with a Roswell t-shirt on

2522
02:04:45,850 --> 02:04:43,160
and and just and just be accepted no I

2523
02:04:49,210 --> 02:04:45,860
don't want that I like where we are

2524
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:49,220
I like the recognition but I don't want

2525
02:04:56,770 --> 02:04:52,850
to become the norm I just I just don't

2526
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:56,780
want that I don't want that okay opening

2527
02:05:04,540 --> 02:04:59,840
up the phone lines seven four seven two

2528
02:05:05,820 --> 02:05:04,550
two eight two zero five one an awful lot

2529
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:05,830
to talk about

2530
02:05:11,620 --> 02:05:09,530
Mitch's article and reclaiming the

2531
02:05:15,580 --> 02:05:11,630
Damned is amazing

2532
02:05:19,330 --> 02:05:15,590
and I had said to Mitch earlier today

2533
02:05:21,220 --> 02:05:19,340
and I really mean it he has got a way of

2534
02:05:24,670 --> 02:05:21,230
writing I said this to Rita

2535
02:05:27,820 --> 02:05:24,680
he's got a way of writing I wish that I

2536
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:27,830
could write like Mitch Horowitz he's got

2537
02:05:33,190 --> 02:05:31,010
a way of getting it done and the article

2538
02:05:35,800 --> 02:05:33,200
is so good and it's written for us I'm

2539
02:05:37,270 --> 02:05:35,810
telling you it's written for us go and

2540
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:37,280
check it out the links are up all over

2541
02:05:42,570 --> 02:05:40,730
social media and you can fully

2542
02:05:45,610 --> 02:05:42,580
appreciate where Mitch is coming from

2543
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:45,620
all right he's got a way of writing it's

2544
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:52,250
so smooth he uses he uses some pretty so

2545
02:05:59,410 --> 02:05:54,890
pretty pretty whatever I want to say

2546
02:06:03,490 --> 02:05:59,420
here intellectual verbage at points and

2547
02:06:07,120 --> 02:06:03,500
it flows when he does that it's really

2548
02:06:08,860 --> 02:06:07,130
cool and he looks the part he looks the

2549
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:08,870
part II such a rebel oh I didn't have

2550
02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:12,410
also when you go in and read the article

2551
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:14,450
you'll see some pictures of Mitch over

2552
02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:17,570
in Egypt and

2553
02:06:22,120 --> 02:06:20,690
check out you know he he B plays though

2554
02:06:26,500 --> 02:06:22,130
he is who he is right

2555
02:06:28,209 --> 02:06:26,510
well I anyway imagine Mitch that guy in

2556
02:06:29,859 --> 02:06:28,219
those pictures going up two security

2557
02:06:33,609 --> 02:06:29,869
guards you know like with automatic

2558
02:06:36,879 --> 02:06:33,619
weapons and bribing his way into temples

2559
02:06:38,799 --> 02:06:36,889
which is it's just the way of life over

2560
02:06:43,419 --> 02:06:38,809
there you're not doing anything that's

2561
02:06:47,979 --> 02:06:43,429
wrong but it's he doesn't fit the mold

2562
02:06:50,799 --> 02:06:47,989
of like an archaeologist he doesn't he

2563
02:06:53,919 --> 02:06:50,809
doesn't have that that thing going on

2564
02:06:56,229 --> 02:06:53,929
sorry it's always picture that so anyway

2565
02:06:58,299 --> 02:06:56,239
let's get to the phone calls let's see

2566
02:07:05,549 --> 02:06:58,309
who's up first higher life on fade to

2567
02:07:11,169 --> 02:07:08,680
yeah now the New York City Debbie said

2568
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:11,179
of the world that's what I'm talking

2569
02:07:21,399 --> 02:07:13,130
about see I just wanted to hear you say

2570
02:07:23,799 --> 02:07:21,409
it Joe it's anonymous no intermissions

2571
02:07:27,419 --> 02:07:23,809
episode of coughing I mean hey I live in

2572
02:07:31,390 --> 02:07:27,429
the hottest place in the whole world and

2573
02:07:33,129 --> 02:07:31,400
yeah what's it like for you to have

2574
02:07:34,750 --> 02:07:33,139
Mitch on the show tonight you know right

2575
02:07:38,529 --> 02:07:34,760
therefore Manhattan

2576
02:07:39,879 --> 02:07:38,539
full-on New Yorker right how does that

2577
02:07:41,609 --> 02:07:39,889
make you feel he's out there on the

2578
02:07:44,350 --> 02:07:41,619
front lines he's getting through this

2579
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:44,360
but he's part of this community what do

2580
02:07:51,819 --> 02:07:49,250
you think of the conversation you know

2581
02:07:53,620 --> 02:07:51,829
he's got that fighting spirit like like

2582
02:07:56,259 --> 02:07:53,630
a lot of good people out here just doing

2583
02:08:03,069 --> 02:07:56,269
his thing you know and that's what it's

2584
02:08:06,669 --> 02:08:03,079
all about and are you a rebel Joe I'm a

2585
02:08:08,470 --> 02:08:06,679
born rebel dr. Sargent in between Jimmy

2586
02:08:14,379 --> 02:08:08,480
that's what I'm talking about never

2587
02:08:16,479 --> 02:08:14,389
change Joe that's right

2588
02:08:18,580 --> 02:08:16,489
enjoy your night Joe and thank you for

2589
02:08:22,270 --> 02:08:18,590
the phone call my friend gobekli tepe

2590
02:08:24,339 --> 02:08:22,280
yeah yeah and I want to visit that place

2591
02:08:25,959 --> 02:08:24,349
to get me out details anybody look some

2592
02:08:28,890 --> 02:08:25,969
of that up online that was pretty

2593
02:08:31,560 --> 02:08:28,900
damages then yeah and and

2594
02:08:35,010 --> 02:08:31,570
I want you to after you hang up go and

2595
02:08:37,740 --> 02:08:35,020
and check out his article because it's

2596
02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:37,750
all about New York and it's really

2597
02:08:42,300 --> 02:08:39,970
really interesting it's such a great

2598
02:08:43,680 --> 02:08:42,310
read go and check it out and I'll see

2599
02:08:46,200 --> 02:08:43,690
you tomorrow night right here on the

2600
02:08:48,330 --> 02:08:46,210
show thank you so much let me tell you

2601
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:48,340
something about New York is you know

2602
02:08:52,110 --> 02:08:49,930
each other toughest bunch of critters

2603
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:52,120
you'd ever want to meet I don't like to

2604
02:08:57,600 --> 02:08:54,250
tell you out there world that's the way

2605
02:08:59,640 --> 02:08:57,610
you know it's a way of life you know who

2606
02:09:02,820 --> 02:08:59,650
we all stick together were all together

2607
02:09:06,780 --> 02:09:02,830
here that's right that's right and

2608
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:06,790
that's the one thing that I think

2609
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:09,610
impresses all of us about New York City

2610
02:09:16,980 --> 02:09:13,840
is that it may be you know 9 or 10

2611
02:09:18,420 --> 02:09:16,990
million people on a small island and the

2612
02:09:21,990 --> 02:09:18,430
and the borough's and everything else

2613
02:09:24,930 --> 02:09:22,000
that's there but you guys are one heart

2614
02:09:28,170 --> 02:09:24,940
one heart beat and and you guys know

2615
02:09:33,300 --> 02:09:28,180
that it's just it's so impressive so

2616
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:33,310
thank you so much we don't yeah little

2617
02:09:37,050 --> 02:09:34,810
bit but where the push comes to shove we

2618
02:09:39,140 --> 02:09:37,060
all come together Jimmy you know there's

2619
02:09:42,060 --> 02:09:39,150
a good joke in there I'll let it go to

2620
02:09:46,290 --> 02:09:42,070
another chef thank you so much Joe and

2621
02:09:49,170 --> 02:09:46,300
be safe I got a great joke crazy cuz we

2622
02:09:50,490 --> 02:09:49,180
dug sure okay okay guys what she's

2623
02:09:52,410 --> 02:09:50,500
former drug dealer right

2624
02:09:53,760 --> 02:09:52,420
he's probably stripping all over the

2625
02:09:56,990 --> 02:09:53,770
place you don't know understand the

2626
02:10:00,150 --> 02:09:57,000
reason why okay

2627
02:10:02,700 --> 02:10:00,160
you buy she's gonna be a drug dealer yes

2628
02:10:05,100 --> 02:10:02,710
and he's pissing all over the place you

2629
02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:05,110
don't understand why like he's cutting

2630
02:10:15,630 --> 02:10:09,490
wrong cashews I miss I'm missing it okay

2631
02:10:19,020 --> 02:10:15,640
Joe have a good dog yeah and something

2632
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:19,030
lost in the translation there but thank

2633
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:20,890
you so much Joe and be safe out there

2634
02:10:27,390 --> 02:10:24,010
Joe is a security guard works all night

2635
02:10:29,550 --> 02:10:27,400
long they're in a Staten Island and

2636
02:10:33,180 --> 02:10:29,560
listens to fade to black and checks in

2637
02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:33,190
with us all night and I just dry cannot

2638
02:10:42,090 --> 02:10:35,280
believe I did what I just did

2639
02:10:48,240 --> 02:10:42,100
No okay I don't know how to do this

2640
02:10:50,100 --> 02:10:48,250
it's this one right here got it I lost

2641
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:50,110
all of my phone calls for a minute but I

2642
02:10:55,500 --> 02:10:52,210
got them back hi your life I'm fade to

2643
02:10:59,129 --> 02:10:55,510
black who's calling hi Jimmy this is

2644
02:11:03,229 --> 02:10:59,139
Dave from South LA Dave in South LA how

2645
02:11:05,609 --> 02:11:03,239
have you been my friend ah then

2646
02:11:11,250 --> 02:11:05,619
interesting things have been interesting

2647
02:11:14,729 --> 02:11:11,260
these are times where I I'm being kind

2648
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:14,739
of having flashbacks going back to 2012

2649
02:11:20,879 --> 02:11:17,530
and you know the turn of the century all

2650
02:11:22,140 --> 02:11:20,889
where people started like y2k the whole

2651
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:22,150
thing's gonna fall apart

2652
02:11:31,919 --> 02:11:28,570
and so I think go going on from about

2653
02:11:35,729 --> 02:11:31,929
that time up through 2012 people were

2654
02:11:39,390 --> 02:11:35,739
told to get mmm get themselves in order

2655
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:39,400
as far as their spirituality goes you

2656
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:42,010
know you need your warriors at this time

2657
02:11:49,140 --> 02:11:46,330
and whatever it is that you use it's

2658
02:11:53,310 --> 02:11:49,150
time to rock it you know it's hit the

2659
02:11:55,919 --> 02:11:53,320
fan and you need to be on point and I

2660
02:11:58,050 --> 02:11:55,929
think people are gonna bump up there you

2661
02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:58,060
know the masses are going to bump up

2662
02:12:02,640 --> 02:11:59,920
their spiritual awareness if you're

2663
02:12:06,209 --> 02:12:02,650
addicted to fear porn and your awareness

2664
02:12:09,030 --> 02:12:06,219
rages you're gonna fry you know it's

2665
02:12:12,240 --> 02:12:09,040
going to cause you to short-circuit but

2666
02:12:15,780 --> 02:12:12,250
you know I've been guard guided out of

2667
02:12:17,700 --> 02:12:15,790
LA actually you know last year sorry I

2668
02:12:21,709 --> 02:12:17,710
couldn't make it over to the Rainbow

2669
02:12:25,200 --> 02:12:21,719
Room but my spirit guides kind of like

2670
02:12:28,350 --> 02:12:25,210
compress everything spiritual experience

2671
02:12:33,419 --> 02:12:28,360
is going from you know for the month of

2672
02:12:36,300 --> 02:12:33,429
November out the door to the Central

2673
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:36,310
Coast really really nice

2674
02:12:42,780 --> 02:12:40,239
the house on the hill and you know the

2675
02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:42,790
spirits the ancestors they all put me

2676
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:46,090
here in New York of all places got here

2677
02:12:51,870 --> 02:12:47,770
on the last you know one of the last

2678
02:12:54,640 --> 02:12:51,880
planes out and now I'm taking care of by

2679
02:12:57,340 --> 02:12:54,650
86 year old parents

2680
02:12:59,229 --> 02:12:57,350
whoa whoa whoa whoa you're not here in

2681
02:12:59,760 --> 02:12:59,239
Los Angeles you're out in New York right

2682
02:13:04,660 --> 02:12:59,770
now

2683
02:13:08,860 --> 02:13:04,670
yeah Hudson Valley you're up in that

2684
02:13:12,250 --> 02:13:08,870
Valley okay okay no you're you're in the

2685
02:13:16,209 --> 02:13:12,260
thick of it you're okay

2686
02:13:19,810 --> 02:13:16,219
when you say last plane out what day was

2687
02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:19,820
that that was probably at the beginning

2688
02:13:24,729 --> 02:13:21,890
of the month I mean it wasn't the

2689
02:13:26,530 --> 02:13:24,739
absolute last plane but it was before

2690
02:13:28,930 --> 02:13:26,540
things started to get really dicey I

2691
02:13:30,729 --> 02:13:28,940
would say about that time ten percent of

2692
02:13:35,020 --> 02:13:30,739
the people I saw in the airport wore

2693
02:13:36,160 --> 02:13:35,030
masks now it's probably close to 90% I

2694
02:13:37,780 --> 02:13:36,170
don't know you'd have to check what

2695
02:13:40,390 --> 02:13:37,790
somebody's been out there well you would

2696
02:13:43,709 --> 02:13:40,400
have to find somebody in the airport

2697
02:13:46,780 --> 02:13:43,719
before he find somebody wearing a mask

2698
02:13:51,310 --> 02:13:46,790
but you bring up a great point David I

2699
02:13:55,540 --> 02:13:51,320
want to go back to the fear porn aspect

2700
02:14:00,250 --> 02:13:55,550
of this we have been dealing with the

2701
02:14:02,620 --> 02:14:00,260
media fake news in fear porn for forever

2702
02:14:05,290 --> 02:14:02,630
certainly it kicked up a notch over the

2703
02:14:11,169 --> 02:14:05,300
last two or three years going back to

2704
02:14:14,709 --> 02:14:11,179
2016 and 17 today it is completely out

2705
02:14:21,550 --> 02:14:14,719
of control and for those out there that

2706
02:14:24,520 --> 02:14:21,560
are subject to emotional swings and and

2707
02:14:28,360 --> 02:14:24,530
they can't pull themselves away from it

2708
02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:28,370
they go and they could read the bad news

2709
02:14:34,630 --> 02:14:31,370
all day long because the the bad news

2710
02:14:36,939 --> 02:14:34,640
the fear porn is refreshing itself about

2711
02:14:39,850 --> 02:14:36,949
every 60 minutes right and you've got

2712
02:14:42,729 --> 02:14:39,860
reports coming in from from all over the

2713
02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:42,739
globe and it's got to start to wear

2714
02:14:49,419 --> 02:14:47,090
people down doesn't it I think some

2715
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:49,429
people you know it's like you're not

2716
02:14:55,149 --> 02:14:51,890
prepared I mean I fortunately brought

2717
02:14:58,030 --> 02:14:55,159
nine you know spirit tools so I'm here

2718
02:15:01,570 --> 02:14:58,040
what you know my ancestors you know he

2719
02:15:04,030 --> 02:15:01,580
spoke of the other crowd that's called

2720
02:15:07,330 --> 02:15:04,040
in Africa they called them Yanni in

2721
02:15:08,589 --> 02:15:07,340
Brazil to call the eyes a spirits I got

2722
02:15:10,989 --> 02:15:08,599
you know permissions to

2723
02:15:15,099 --> 02:15:10,999
work with these as well as my regulars

2724
02:15:18,250 --> 02:15:15,109
and so you know I tell people I'm

2725
02:15:20,949 --> 02:15:18,260
putting my money on you know the spirit

2726
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:20,959
babalu aye yay you know that's that's

2727
02:15:27,399 --> 02:15:24,010
the protector during times of pestilence

2728
02:15:29,739 --> 02:15:27,409
so you know I'm I'm working these these

2729
02:15:33,569 --> 02:15:29,749
things and I think things are bumping up

2730
02:15:36,310 --> 02:15:33,579
I want to have sunrise Easter Sunday

2731
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:36,320
let's call it a little religious

2732
02:15:40,540 --> 02:15:38,570
ceremony out in front of a inside a

2733
02:15:43,209 --> 02:15:40,550
stone chamber nobody knows who made

2734
02:15:46,389 --> 02:15:43,219
these stone chambers or how long ago but

2735
02:15:49,060 --> 02:15:46,399
the jaw they're not huge but they're all

2736
02:15:53,699 --> 02:15:49,070
over this county so there's several

2737
02:15:58,119 --> 02:15:53,709
hundred and they're all aligned to

2738
02:16:02,259 --> 02:15:58,129
different different days or you know the

2739
02:16:02,799 --> 02:16:02,269
dawn on summer solstice right right

2740
02:16:04,569 --> 02:16:02,809
right

2741
02:16:07,569 --> 02:16:04,579
will you do me a favor David take some

2742
02:16:11,649 --> 02:16:07,579
pictures I want to see them Oh pursue it

2743
02:16:12,819 --> 02:16:11,659
sure get them to you like everything

2744
02:16:15,849 --> 02:16:12,829
they've been talking about that since

2745
02:16:17,799 --> 02:16:15,859
you know 2012 all that stuff now it's

2746
02:16:20,589 --> 02:16:17,809
time to use it if you bit if you've been

2747
02:16:23,469 --> 02:16:20,599
minding your P's and Q's and didn't you

2748
02:16:24,969 --> 02:16:23,479
know revving up and raising your

2749
02:16:27,639 --> 02:16:24,979
vibration you're gonna make it through

2750
02:16:29,439 --> 02:16:27,649
you're gonna make it through if you have

2751
02:16:32,559 --> 02:16:29,449
it I don't know what's I can't say

2752
02:16:34,450 --> 02:16:32,569
what's going to happen well you're right

2753
02:16:37,179 --> 02:16:34,460
you're right you're absolutely right

2754
02:16:42,429 --> 02:16:37,189
with that and is the power of the mine

2755
02:16:44,290 --> 02:16:42,439
it in days like this it's its importance

2756
02:16:45,969 --> 02:16:44,300
cannot be measured and then the other

2757
02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:45,979
part is you know what you need to eat

2758
02:16:50,349 --> 02:16:47,689
right you need to take care of your

2759
02:16:54,809 --> 02:16:50,359
immune system keep your mind right and

2760
02:16:57,849 --> 02:16:54,819
and you're gonna be just fine and garlic

2761
02:17:00,250 --> 02:16:57,859
raw garlic instant social distancing

2762
02:17:04,859 --> 02:17:00,260
I'll talk to you David take some

2763
02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:04,869
pictures man all right well gobekli tepe

2764
02:17:16,889 --> 02:17:11,330
alright and Dave from South LA is one of

2765
02:17:20,049 --> 02:17:16,899
the coolest people that you can imagine

2766
02:17:21,850 --> 02:17:20,059
how do i how do I say this you need to

2767
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:21,860
put something in your mind

2768
02:17:28,030 --> 02:17:25,040
who Dave is put that in your mind and

2769
02:17:31,750 --> 02:17:28,040
then take that up like 15 levels of cool

2770
02:17:34,510 --> 02:17:31,760
and then you're gonna arrive at Dave in

2771
02:17:38,410 --> 02:17:34,520
South LA he is an absolutely amazing

2772
02:17:44,460 --> 02:17:38,420
individual and I'm busy here trying to

2773
02:17:48,100 --> 02:17:44,470
line up phone call so please enjoy my

2774
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:48,110
not being able to talk and chew gum at

2775
02:17:52,110 --> 02:17:50,000
the same time okay here we go hi you're

2776
02:17:55,840 --> 02:17:52,120
live on fade to black who's calling

2777
02:17:56,650 --> 02:17:55,850
hey this is Justin hey Justin where you

2778
02:18:02,470 --> 02:17:56,660
calling from

2779
02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:02,480
you man everything good yeah doing

2780
02:18:06,100 --> 02:18:04,250
pretty good people ain't too hectic or

2781
02:18:08,320 --> 02:18:06,110
crazy down here yeah but Elena's not

2782
02:18:09,880 --> 02:18:08,330
Ashley on a lockdown right now so and

2783
02:18:11,530 --> 02:18:09,890
from what I heard seven people got

2784
02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:11,540
arrested last week because of the

2785
02:18:18,190 --> 02:18:16,370
lockdown in Orlando yeah in Orlando they

2786
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:18,200
had lockdown and then seven people been

2787
02:18:22,930 --> 02:18:20,690
arrested since the lockdown because it

2788
02:18:26,980 --> 02:18:22,940
being out of curfew hours yeah what's it

2789
02:18:29,470 --> 02:18:26,990
like in Orlando having Disneyworld and

2790
02:18:30,910 --> 02:18:29,480
everything there Universal Studios and

2791
02:18:34,090 --> 02:18:30,920
stuff everything is shut down what's

2792
02:18:36,970 --> 02:18:34,100
that like it's really crazy because

2793
02:18:38,440 --> 02:18:36,980
actually traffic is died down a lot not

2794
02:18:41,680 --> 02:18:38,450
as many people on the road it's almost

2795
02:18:43,300 --> 02:18:41,690
like a ghost town nowadays and and how

2796
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:43,310
are you guys doing how are you guys

2797
02:18:48,700 --> 02:18:46,250
doing we're doing pretty good so far

2798
02:18:50,320 --> 02:18:48,710
I mean we got everything we need can't

2799
02:18:54,520 --> 02:18:50,330
complain it could always be worse no

2800
02:18:57,420 --> 02:18:54,530
matter what now we just finished a great

2801
02:19:00,880 --> 02:18:57,430
conversation with Mitch Horowitz and

2802
02:19:04,300 --> 02:19:00,890
what do you think are you a rebel Justin

2803
02:19:10,450 --> 02:19:04,310
oh yeah I'm definitely a rebel hahaha

2804
02:19:13,690 --> 02:19:10,460
and do you do you do you want to have

2805
02:19:15,670 --> 02:19:13,700
our community remain the rebel you know

2806
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:15,680
what I mean because right now it's cool

2807
02:19:23,500 --> 02:19:19,850
to be us right it's cool we'll be into

2808
02:19:26,650 --> 02:19:23,510
UFOs it's cool to be into ghosts and

2809
02:19:30,750 --> 02:19:26,660
ghost hunting in Bigfoot it's cool to be

2810
02:19:34,020 --> 02:19:30,760
you know and but I feel like people are

2811
02:19:37,830 --> 02:19:34,030
bandwagoning right now and

2812
02:19:40,650 --> 02:19:37,840
I I kind of like being strange but now

2813
02:19:42,450 --> 02:19:40,660
you and I are normal I want I want to

2814
02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:42,460
continue to be the rebel how do we do

2815
02:19:48,751 --> 02:19:46,450
that I don't know but I've actually

2816
02:19:50,251 --> 02:19:48,761
noticed since things are starting to get

2817
02:19:52,171 --> 02:19:50,261
bigger I've had like friends and other

2818
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:52,181
people I know oh yeah like aliens and

2819
02:19:55,410 --> 02:19:53,530
yeah do you know this you know that it's

2820
02:19:57,390 --> 02:19:55,420
like dude I knew that ten years ago like

2821
02:19:58,680 --> 02:19:57,400
where have you been and they just want

2822
02:20:00,930 --> 02:19:58,690
to hang on and that's like they're cool

2823
02:20:02,970 --> 02:20:00,940
and say what is going on now everybody

2824
02:20:05,610 --> 02:20:02,980
knows everything about UFOs and before

2825
02:20:06,570 --> 02:20:05,620
you guys call me crazy right right right

2826
02:20:08,970 --> 02:20:06,580
right right

2827
02:20:10,711 --> 02:20:08,980
and you know people that you know they

2828
02:20:16,890 --> 02:20:10,721
want to talk about Roswell like they

2829
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:16,900
know come on man but you know what like

2830
02:20:25,080 --> 02:20:19,650
I said be careful what you wish for but

2831
02:20:27,390 --> 02:20:25,090
hopefully we can keep a keep the urgency

2832
02:20:29,660 --> 02:20:27,400
on and that's what Mitch and I were

2833
02:20:32,370 --> 02:20:29,670
talking about you don't want to give up

2834
02:20:34,220 --> 02:20:32,380
the you know you don't want to give up

2835
02:20:37,350 --> 02:20:34,230
the intensity you don't want to give up

2836
02:20:40,051 --> 02:20:37,360
what we have been trying to do and the

2837
02:20:41,820 --> 02:20:40,061
reason why we've had the energy to do

2838
02:20:43,801 --> 02:20:41,830
this because people have been pushing us

2839
02:20:46,650 --> 02:20:43,811
down so you want to get up you want to

2840
02:20:51,001 --> 02:20:46,660
fight but once they you know what I mean

2841
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:51,011
it's like free free play on a video game

2842
02:20:58,171 --> 02:20:54,160
you don't want free plays right that

2843
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:58,181
takes away the urges when you're pumping

2844
02:21:03,211 --> 02:21:01,120
quarters into a video game it made the

2845
02:21:08,671 --> 02:21:03,221
game important when you don't have to

2846
02:21:13,261 --> 02:21:08,681
pump in quarters who cares yeah that has

2847
02:21:15,930 --> 02:21:13,271
no value so there you go just thing I

2848
02:21:18,830 --> 02:21:15,940
wanted to say sure I don't know the true

2849
02:21:20,940 --> 02:21:18,840
but from what I read in history this

2850
02:21:24,660 --> 02:21:20,950
coronaviruses post it kind of happened

2851
02:21:26,461 --> 02:21:24,670
in a way because in 1720 1820 in 1920

2852
02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:26,471
there's also a virus and like plague and

2853
02:21:29,761 --> 02:21:28,090
every hundred years some kind of

2854
02:21:32,841 --> 02:21:29,771
sickness takes out some of our

2855
02:21:36,060 --> 02:21:32,851
populations what's your thoughts on that

2856
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:36,070
this earth this planet mother nature

2857
02:21:45,211 --> 02:21:41,050
Gaia has always had a way of putting

2858
02:21:47,340 --> 02:21:45,221
things in check not only with humans but

2859
02:21:51,719 --> 02:21:47,350
that's with everything on this planet

2860
02:21:56,370 --> 02:21:51,729
and there is a balance of nature there's

2861
02:21:59,189 --> 02:21:56,380
an ecosystem there's a there's a way we

2862
02:22:00,300 --> 02:21:59,199
got here everything got here for a

2863
02:22:08,219 --> 02:22:00,310
reason

2864
02:22:10,620 --> 02:22:08,229
complexities of enzymes and and

2865
02:22:15,889 --> 02:22:10,630
chemicals and molecules and the way

2866
02:22:20,570 --> 02:22:15,899
things work and and the cycle of life

2867
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:20,580
you know the for something like a

2868
02:22:30,059 --> 02:22:26,770
tadpole or a butterfly right to go from

2869
02:22:32,929 --> 02:22:30,069
a caterpillar the these things these

2870
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:32,939
transitions we are talking about

2871
02:22:41,580 --> 02:22:37,840
trillions of chemical changes that have

2872
02:22:44,429 --> 02:22:41,590
to happen with reactions between cells

2873
02:22:47,729 --> 02:22:44,439
and certain chemicals and enzymes that

2874
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:47,739
have to happen an exact perfect way for

2875
02:22:51,719 --> 02:22:50,080
these transitions to happen I'm just

2876
02:22:56,700 --> 02:22:51,729
talking about one thing like a tadpole

2877
02:23:01,590 --> 02:22:56,710
tool frog or a caterpillar to a

2878
02:23:03,960 --> 02:23:01,600
butterfly or or sperm egg combinations

2879
02:23:07,260 --> 02:23:03,970
these things are incredible right

2880
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:07,270
well all of this happened before

2881
02:23:13,700 --> 02:23:10,810
homo sapiens sapiens was here and and

2882
02:23:17,729 --> 02:23:13,710
now we are here we can't change things

2883
02:23:21,149 --> 02:23:17,739
we always if we screw things up this

2884
02:23:28,170 --> 02:23:21,159
planet Gaia mother nature earth has a

2885
02:23:29,639 --> 02:23:28,180
way of putting you in check it's trying

2886
02:23:32,429 --> 02:23:29,649
to freak anybody out

2887
02:23:35,550 --> 02:23:32,439
I'm just saying it's the way that it is

2888
02:23:39,359 --> 02:23:35,560
and that going yeah that's it that's it

2889
02:23:41,570 --> 02:23:39,369
that goes with you know Ice Ages in the

2890
02:23:44,010 --> 02:23:41,580
heating and cooling of the earth or

2891
02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:44,020
volcanoes and earthquakes and tidal

2892
02:23:49,950 --> 02:23:47,170
waves and and and and tornadoes and

2893
02:23:52,620 --> 02:23:49,960
hurricanes and there's that element of

2894
02:23:57,000 --> 02:23:52,630
it and then there is you know plagues

2895
02:23:59,399 --> 02:23:57,010
and pestilence and and flus and cyclic

2896
02:24:00,460 --> 02:23:59,409
things the animal kingdom goes through

2897
02:24:03,309 --> 02:24:00,470
the same is

2898
02:24:07,059 --> 02:24:03,319
just like we do and that's that's that's

2899
02:24:10,139 --> 02:24:07,069
it man I'm not hey hey mother nature is

2900
02:24:14,110 --> 02:24:10,149
much bigger a much more powerful and

2901
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:14,120
smarter than you and I oh yeah a hundred

2902
02:24:19,929 --> 02:24:16,370
times smarter oh that's the way it is

2903
02:24:21,550 --> 02:24:19,939
Justin thank you so much my friend have

2904
02:24:22,479 --> 02:24:21,560
a good night go back to that Gobekli

2905
02:24:26,139 --> 02:24:22,489
Tepe

2906
02:24:29,679 --> 02:24:26,149
we're coming from Orlando and I can't

2907
02:24:32,170 --> 02:24:29,689
imagine what Orlando such a dynamic city

2908
02:24:35,380 --> 02:24:32,180
with all of that life that is going on

2909
02:24:37,870 --> 02:24:35,390
there to have it just shut down just

2910
02:24:40,450 --> 02:24:37,880
like every other city every other piece

2911
02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:40,460
of culture every society every country

2912
02:24:45,519 --> 02:24:42,890
on this planet is going through these

2913
02:24:49,540 --> 02:24:45,529
things right now but certainly Orlando

2914
02:24:52,540 --> 02:24:49,550
where the economy is based on Disney

2915
02:24:54,639 --> 02:24:52,550
World and Universal Studios how that has

2916
02:24:55,960 --> 02:24:54,649
changed life in the streets out there

2917
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:55,970
let's go back to the phones hi you're

2918
02:25:06,760 --> 02:25:02,590
you're live turn me down in the

2919
02:25:09,370 --> 02:25:06,770
background okay that's no good can't do

2920
02:25:12,219 --> 02:25:09,380
that let's go over to here hi you're

2921
02:25:14,620 --> 02:25:12,229
live on fade to black who's calling hey

2922
02:25:17,860 --> 02:25:14,630
Jimmy it's Laura calling from the Black

2923
02:25:20,679 --> 02:25:17,870
Hills Laura from the Black Hills how are

2924
02:25:23,440 --> 02:25:20,689
you what's on your mind time well you

2925
02:25:30,150 --> 02:25:23,450
know Jimmy I noticed you you know Mitch

2926
02:25:37,780 --> 02:25:33,969
exodia tlie thought of the years you

2927
02:25:39,690 --> 02:25:37,790
spent in Panama and I was wondering if

2928
02:25:44,410 --> 02:25:39,700
you had had any similar type of

2929
02:25:47,559 --> 02:25:44,420
experiences there you go you know I

2930
02:25:49,570 --> 02:25:47,569
don't talk about that much for a couple

2931
02:25:54,429 --> 02:25:49,580
of reasons and yes Laura you're

2932
02:25:58,360 --> 02:25:54,439
absolutely right I wasn't old enough I

2933
02:26:02,800 --> 02:25:58,370
was 14 15 16 years old okay I wasn't old

2934
02:26:05,380 --> 02:26:02,810
enough to grasp some of the things and

2935
02:26:11,710 --> 02:26:05,390
the concepts that were going on I will

2936
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:11,720
say this though Panama is even though

2937
02:26:16,720 --> 02:26:13,610
it's on the Pacific where I lived was

2938
02:26:19,180 --> 02:26:16,730
the Pacific side not on the the Gulf of

2939
02:26:22,091 --> 02:26:19,190
Mexico side the Gulf side of Panama

2940
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:22,101
which is a city called cologne I was in

2941
02:26:28,450 --> 02:26:24,370
Panama City on the Pacific side but

2942
02:26:32,530 --> 02:26:28,460
Panama its culture is rooted in all

2943
02:26:39,841 --> 02:26:32,540
things Caribbean ok and what goes along

2944
02:26:43,421 --> 02:26:39,851
with that all of that voodoo all of that

2945
02:26:46,751 --> 02:26:43,431
crazy and they and it is part of the

2946
02:26:48,280 --> 02:26:46,761
culture there and although I talked

2947
02:26:49,961 --> 02:26:48,290
about it and I had a lot of Panamanian

2948
02:26:53,171 --> 02:26:49,971
friends and there were things that were

2949
02:26:54,341 --> 02:26:53,181
around me I wasn't I wasn't old enough

2950
02:26:57,131 --> 02:26:54,351
to appreciate it

2951
02:27:00,220 --> 02:26:57,141
I was too I was too into Black Sabbath

2952
02:27:02,470 --> 02:27:00,230
and and Ted Nugent and Santana and Led

2953
02:27:05,591 --> 02:27:02,480
Zeppelin and hanging out with my friends

2954
02:27:08,020 --> 02:27:05,601
trying to play guitar and and and things

2955
02:27:10,930 --> 02:27:08,030
where that part of the culture in Panama

2956
02:27:13,301 --> 02:27:10,940
and the Mayan culture by the way which

2957
02:27:15,100 --> 02:27:13,311
you know is is the that is the

2958
02:27:19,961 --> 02:27:15,110
Panamanian the native Panamanians are

2959
02:27:22,421 --> 02:27:19,971
all Mayan and I didn't get absorbed into

2960
02:27:25,541 --> 02:27:22,431
it right and I was too young so at least

2961
02:27:29,470 --> 02:27:25,551
I have that excuse but did I hear about

2962
02:27:33,341 --> 02:27:29,480
it absolutely did I see it yes was there

2963
02:27:34,961 --> 02:27:33,351
weirdness yes I went out okay I've got

2964
02:27:38,921 --> 02:27:34,971
two minutes before the break let me

2965
02:27:42,100 --> 02:27:38,931
share this story with you okay friend of

2966
02:27:44,711 --> 02:27:42,110
mine I'm not gonna say his name says hey

2967
02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:44,721
man let's go out we're gonna go into the

2968
02:27:50,921 --> 02:27:48,290
interior outside of Panama City we're

2969
02:27:52,360 --> 02:27:50,931
gonna go we're gonna go up and we're

2970
02:27:57,400 --> 02:27:52,370
gonna go to a friend of Mines house he's

2971
02:28:01,120 --> 02:27:57,410
really cool okay so we take a cab we

2972
02:28:06,640 --> 02:28:01,130
take a taxi outside of Panama City we

2973
02:28:12,520 --> 02:28:06,650
ride about I'm gonna say 30 miles up

2974
02:28:16,900 --> 02:28:12,530
into the interior and how do I say this

2975
02:28:20,650 --> 02:28:16,910
there is no rescue okay there's no

2976
02:28:23,801 --> 02:28:20,660
calling for help then going that night

2977
02:28:25,900 --> 02:28:23,811
and so we go and it's a compound with

2978
02:28:27,330 --> 02:28:25,910
it's a it's a it's a house with this

2979
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:27,340
fence

2980
02:28:34,650 --> 02:28:29,290
all around it we go through the gates we

2981
02:28:40,440 --> 02:28:34,660
go in and it was man I think I was about

2982
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:40,450
15 15 years old you know pot some

2983
02:28:45,980 --> 02:28:42,130
alcohol some other things that were

2984
02:28:49,650 --> 02:28:45,990
going on but it was weird

2985
02:28:56,330 --> 02:28:49,660
okay and it was it got to the point

2986
02:28:59,400 --> 02:28:56,340
where I was like man I gotta go and you

2987
02:29:01,110 --> 02:28:59,410
can come with me if you want but I'm

2988
02:29:03,420 --> 02:29:01,120
gonna walk out to that dirt road out

2989
02:29:05,340 --> 02:29:03,430
front and I'm gonna make my way back to

2990
02:29:07,670 --> 02:29:05,350
the highway and I'm gonna get the first

2991
02:29:11,730 --> 02:29:07,680
Chief Achieva bus back to Panama City

2992
02:29:15,690 --> 02:29:11,740
but I'm not hanging here and he said I'm

2993
02:29:18,810 --> 02:29:15,700
gonna stay I said okay I'm out I'm out

2994
02:29:22,380 --> 02:29:18,820
and now I can I'm not gonna go into the

2995
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:22,390
details Laura but just let me say that

2996
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:29,290
there was a magic thing going on there I

2997
02:29:33,750 --> 02:29:31,930
don't know I'm not gonna say black magic

2998
02:29:37,830 --> 02:29:33,760
white bad I'm just saying that there was

2999
02:29:41,099 --> 02:29:37,840
some things going on that freaked me the

3000
02:29:41,730 --> 02:29:41,109
frig out and I walked back I walked by

3001
02:29:43,620 --> 02:29:41,740
myself

3002
02:29:46,860 --> 02:29:43,630
I left my friend there I walked up the

3003
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:46,870
dirt road I got on the first bus that

3004
02:29:52,620 --> 02:29:50,010
cost me 25 cents and I get on this bus

3005
02:29:57,060 --> 02:29:52,630
right all the way back to bad about city

3006
02:30:03,780 --> 02:29:57,070
garden man that was that was close

3007
02:30:05,429 --> 02:30:03,790
I went yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that he

3008
02:30:06,630 --> 02:30:05,439
brought up it was interesting you

3009
02:30:10,200 --> 02:30:06,640
brought up the whole idea of

3010
02:30:11,700 --> 02:30:10,210
interdimensional 'ti and you know kind

3011
02:30:13,620 --> 02:30:11,710
of the shifting in and out through the

3012
02:30:16,320 --> 02:30:13,630
quantum fields and that kind of idea

3013
02:30:18,420 --> 02:30:16,330
right you know I think he's quite right

3014
02:30:20,460 --> 02:30:18,430
and it would have been really

3015
02:30:22,469 --> 02:30:20,470
interesting for having him talk about as

3016
02:30:24,599 --> 02:30:22,479
well some of his background with the

3017
02:30:27,330 --> 02:30:24,609
Theosophical Society and he's the

3018
02:30:30,810 --> 02:30:27,340
information he's got about some of the

3019
02:30:33,210 --> 02:30:30,820
founders so I remember I remember on

3020
02:30:33,810 --> 02:30:33,220
Monday I I go back to school I gotta

3021
02:30:36,030 --> 02:30:33,820
take a break

3022
02:30:40,040 --> 02:30:36,040
I went back to school I see my friend

3023
02:30:41,960 --> 02:30:40,050
right and he should have left I go dude

3024
02:30:44,150 --> 02:30:41,970
I don't think I ever talked to him again

3025
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:44,160
I was freaked out you should've left me

3026
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:48,330
it was great no no no hey Laura thank

3027
02:30:53,929 --> 02:30:50,640
you for the phone call yeah Thank You

3028
02:30:54,849 --> 02:30:53,939
Jimmy thank you sir give me a gobekli

3029
02:31:00,800 --> 02:30:54,859
tepe

3030
02:31:06,500 --> 02:31:00,810
so much Laura you L we'll see you

3031
02:31:08,500 --> 02:31:06,510
tomorrow night and yeah yeah I don't

3032
02:31:11,210 --> 02:31:08,510
have much more to add to that story

3033
02:31:13,099 --> 02:31:11,220
except for it it's true and it really

3034
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:13,109
happened our meals Jimmy church this is

3035
02:31:15,349 --> 02:31:14,640
fade to black I'll be right back after

3036
02:31:18,200 --> 02:31:15,359
this short break

3037
02:31:20,010 --> 02:31:18,210
more of your phone calls or next stay

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02:31:38,030 --> 02:31:20,020
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this is KJ CR Jimmy search radiojohn

3097
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3098
02:34:51,040 --> 02:34:48,309
all right welcome back fade to black

3099
02:34:54,280 --> 02:34:51,050
open lines right now seven four seven

3100
02:34:55,929 --> 02:34:54,290
two two eight two zero five one down

3101
02:35:02,500 --> 02:34:55,939
wholesale right there we've got one

3102
02:35:06,130 --> 02:35:02,510
segment left that really happened man

3103
02:35:08,230 --> 02:35:06,140
how went right hi ooh that was hard

3104
02:35:10,809 --> 02:35:08,240
heart of darkness right there and I was

3105
02:35:13,570 --> 02:35:10,819
like going up going up the river and in

3106
02:35:16,750 --> 02:35:13,580
Vietnam and Apocalypse Now I'm telling

3107
02:35:19,420 --> 02:35:16,760
you it was freaky it was freaky all

3108
02:35:21,700 --> 02:35:19,430
right seven four seven two two eight two

3109
02:35:23,170 --> 02:35:21,710
zero five one let's go back to the

3110
02:35:28,059 --> 02:35:23,180
phones hi your life I'm fade to black

3111
02:35:30,639 --> 02:35:28,069
who's calling you're live

3112
02:35:33,270 --> 02:35:30,649
yes Jimmy I don't know at this point I

3113
02:35:37,179 --> 02:35:33,280
don't know if it's me or not it is you

3114
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:37,189
but don't you know if it's you that's

3115
02:35:42,849 --> 02:35:40,399
the question well this is the question

3116
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:42,859
because the phone lines are a little bit

3117
02:35:48,219 --> 02:35:45,850
tricky here with calling in for you ah

3118
02:35:50,740 --> 02:35:48,229
well you know what you've got to fight

3119
02:35:52,179 --> 02:35:50,750
the good fight and it's always worth it

3120
02:35:56,260 --> 02:35:52,189
though it's always worth it because you

3121
02:35:58,990 --> 02:35:56,270
know who's calling exactly so it's

3122
02:36:01,240 --> 02:35:59,000
Laurie Ann from Ontario Canada hi Laurie

3123
02:36:03,880 --> 02:36:01,250
Ann from Ontario Canada how are you

3124
02:36:06,820 --> 02:36:03,890
tonight you know I'm pretty good

3125
02:36:08,530 --> 02:36:06,830
actually you know I feel very blessed in

3126
02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:08,540
this situation I'm getting paid

3127
02:36:15,460 --> 02:36:11,930
full-time unlike a lot of people and I

3128
02:36:18,280 --> 02:36:15,470
ordered pizza last night and at the

3129
02:36:20,800 --> 02:36:18,290
other end of things I just found out

3130
02:36:23,440 --> 02:36:20,810
yesterday my boss was exposed in his

3131
02:36:27,460 --> 02:36:23,450
very last two days at work to the coal

3132
02:36:29,800 --> 02:36:27,470
bed virus in downtown Toronto his 97

3133
02:36:31,570 --> 02:36:29,810
year old aunt is in the hospital worried

3134
02:36:34,300 --> 02:36:31,580
about it like you know things could be

3135
02:36:40,500 --> 02:36:34,310
worse for me but me and my own I'm

3136
02:36:43,570 --> 02:36:40,510
pretty fortunate and what kind of pizza

3137
02:36:46,210 --> 02:36:43,580
it was a half and half actually it was a

3138
02:36:54,880 --> 02:36:46,220
half Hawaiian and just a hospitable Oni

3139
02:36:57,250 --> 02:36:54,890
and cheese on so did you alternate did

3140
02:36:59,570 --> 02:36:57,260
you eat a slice from one side and then a

3141
02:37:03,500 --> 02:36:59,580
slice from the other

3142
02:37:05,900 --> 02:37:03,510
so I had a piece of each and then when I

3143
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:05,910
went to the leftovers I did the exact

3144
02:37:09,679 --> 02:37:08,640
same thing at people peach that's that's

3145
02:37:13,849 --> 02:37:09,689
how you do it

3146
02:37:16,700 --> 02:37:13,859
see you just passed the test you know

3147
02:37:19,429 --> 02:37:16,710
I'm just there's so much to worry about

3148
02:37:21,679 --> 02:37:19,439
I feel so trivial by talking about this

3149
02:37:25,730 --> 02:37:21,689
right now but honestly I do feel very

3150
02:37:29,660 --> 02:37:25,740
fortunate to be at you know Jimmy I'm

3151
02:37:33,050 --> 02:37:29,670
told in Canada I'm in the 20% of getting

3152
02:37:35,210 --> 02:37:33,060
full pay and working right now I can't

3153
02:37:37,460 --> 02:37:35,220
tell you it's kind of mixed feelings

3154
02:37:40,370 --> 02:37:37,470
right you feel fortunate but you feel

3155
02:37:42,860 --> 02:37:40,380
like there's so many people suffering

3156
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:42,870
out there right now you're that's right

3157
02:37:51,730 --> 02:37:49,050
and I know that I feel that I should say

3158
02:37:55,360 --> 02:37:51,740
I shouldn't say I know but I feel that

3159
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:55,370
the the governments around the world as

3160
02:38:01,940 --> 02:37:58,800
well as the people from around the world

3161
02:38:06,849 --> 02:38:01,950
know that we have to get through this

3162
02:38:10,040 --> 02:38:06,859
and people not only have bills to pay

3163
02:38:13,820 --> 02:38:10,050
but they have children to feed there is

3164
02:38:18,110 --> 02:38:13,830
rent is war there's all of this comes

3165
02:38:20,510 --> 02:38:18,120
into play and this is nobody's fault and

3166
02:38:22,969 --> 02:38:20,520
so this is the time where we need to

3167
02:38:25,730 --> 02:38:22,979
take care of each other and I really

3168
02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:25,740
feel I really feel that that is going to

3169
02:38:29,780 --> 02:38:27,810
happen I'm glad that you're getting a

3170
02:38:31,700 --> 02:38:29,790
paycheck you know there are so many

3171
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:31,710
people out there that are freaking out

3172
02:38:37,940 --> 02:38:33,930
right now I mean that are freaking out

3173
02:38:40,820 --> 02:38:37,950
and they should be I have had my share

3174
02:38:43,730 --> 02:38:40,830
of freakout I've lost job and I come

3175
02:38:46,309 --> 02:38:43,740
home literally in panic attacks of how

3176
02:38:49,099 --> 02:38:46,319
am I going to pay the mortgage I've been

3177
02:38:52,540 --> 02:38:49,109
there done that and for me to be not

3178
02:38:56,150 --> 02:38:52,550
there now at this point has made me

3179
02:38:58,070 --> 02:38:56,160
enlightened if you will to thinking wow

3180
02:39:00,830 --> 02:38:58,080
I've been there two or three times in

3181
02:39:04,070 --> 02:39:00,840
the last three years and now I'm not in

3182
02:39:06,500 --> 02:39:04,080
this and so how they do have a guardian

3183
02:39:09,290 --> 02:39:06,510
angel of some kind that is getting me

3184
02:39:11,690 --> 02:39:09,300
through this because I'm meant to get

3185
02:39:12,800 --> 02:39:11,700
through this to keep going to keep going

3186
02:39:15,109 --> 02:39:12,810
like there's always

3187
02:39:18,769 --> 02:39:15,119
something there's always hope there's

3188
02:39:21,380 --> 02:39:18,779
only that I don't know like there's only

3189
02:39:23,540 --> 02:39:21,390
something to look to the positive there

3190
02:39:26,300 --> 02:39:23,550
must be because I can't explain it

3191
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:26,310
otherwise when do you think about it I

3192
02:39:33,050 --> 02:39:28,409
think that's a great message and I think

3193
02:39:36,889 --> 02:39:33,060
it's inspiration to so many and when you

3194
02:39:39,880 --> 02:39:36,899
go down a road in your town in your

3195
02:39:44,599 --> 02:39:39,890
community where you are seeing

3196
02:39:47,300 --> 02:39:44,609
restaurants bars clothing stores retail

3197
02:39:51,099 --> 02:39:47,310
outlets everything shuddered and closed

3198
02:39:55,219 --> 02:39:51,109
down those people have to have jobs

3199
02:39:57,080 --> 02:39:55,229
those people have families and if you're

3200
02:40:00,769 --> 02:39:57,090
a small business owner right now which

3201
02:40:02,840 --> 02:40:00,779
is the vast amount of the United States

3202
02:40:05,300 --> 02:40:02,850
in the world right that's the foundation

3203
02:40:09,319 --> 02:40:05,310
of everything and if you're just cutting

3204
02:40:12,050 --> 02:40:09,329
off income and a lot of these small

3205
02:40:14,210 --> 02:40:12,060
businesses they run month-to-month

3206
02:40:15,649 --> 02:40:14,220
and what about you know you know what I

3207
02:40:17,599 --> 02:40:15,659
mean it's not like they're sitting on

3208
02:40:20,389 --> 02:40:17,609
hundreds of thousands of dollars in the

3209
02:40:23,450 --> 02:40:20,399
bank and they can write out you know six

3210
02:40:25,189 --> 02:40:23,460
months of no income they have to they

3211
02:40:28,090 --> 02:40:25,199
have to survive just like everybody else

3212
02:40:34,160 --> 02:40:28,100
but this is the this is the key thing

3213
02:40:36,889 --> 02:40:34,170
when you have somebody that has invested

3214
02:40:40,729 --> 02:40:36,899
everything and every penny into a

3215
02:40:43,639 --> 02:40:40,739
company to open it to hire employees and

3216
02:40:46,250 --> 02:40:43,649
and they and they're successful right

3217
02:40:48,170 --> 02:40:46,260
and they go but they're still running

3218
02:40:51,889 --> 02:40:48,180
month-to-month just like everybody else

3219
02:40:53,599 --> 02:40:51,899
that right now with what we're doing in

3220
02:40:57,500 --> 02:40:53,609
this country and other countries around

3221
02:41:00,170 --> 02:40:57,510
the world to allow businesses to go and

3222
02:41:02,479 --> 02:41:00,180
apply for relief you can continue to pay

3223
02:41:06,290 --> 02:41:02,489
your employees you can continue to pay

3224
02:41:08,899 --> 02:41:06,300
your rent we have told your landlords

3225
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:08,909
that they have to work right it's not

3226
02:41:15,200 --> 02:41:12,810
like it's completely dire now we have to

3227
02:41:17,120 --> 02:41:15,210
do the work right we have to go and

3228
02:41:20,269 --> 02:41:17,130
apply we have to go and let people know

3229
02:41:22,790 --> 02:41:20,279
that we are in this situation nobody's

3230
02:41:25,189 --> 02:41:22,800
going to come to you and offer it there

3231
02:41:26,330 --> 02:41:25,199
they're still work to do but the

3232
02:41:28,099 --> 02:41:26,340
resources I

3233
02:41:30,230 --> 02:41:28,109
think are clearly there for everybody

3234
02:41:31,190 --> 02:41:30,240
and it's I don't think we're in a full

3235
02:41:35,780 --> 02:41:31,200
panic mode

3236
02:41:38,120 --> 02:41:35,790
it could be a lot worse for sure yeah

3237
02:41:40,610 --> 02:41:38,130
don't get me wrong I work for a law firm

3238
02:41:42,950 --> 02:41:40,620
and I get paid by big industry which are

3239
02:41:45,020 --> 02:41:42,960
insurance company so I've got a full

3240
02:41:47,650 --> 02:41:45,030
paycheck because they're all scrambling

3241
02:41:51,230 --> 02:41:47,660
to deal with this situation for

3242
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:51,240
exclusionary situation so I'm good

3243
02:41:59,540 --> 02:41:55,439
but and I and I work for a very small

3244
02:42:02,719 --> 02:41:59,550
firm who has actually just won a very

3245
02:42:04,700 --> 02:42:02,729
good decision in court that is going to

3246
02:42:05,960 --> 02:42:04,710
affect the world and it will come out

3247
02:42:06,679 --> 02:42:05,970
and they're trying to write a paper

3248
02:42:09,469 --> 02:42:06,689
about it

3249
02:42:13,400 --> 02:42:09,479
well I am very fortunate that way but I

3250
02:42:15,469 --> 02:42:13,410
also was married for 30 years to

3251
02:42:19,790 --> 02:42:15,479
somebody who ran a small business so I

3252
02:42:22,910 --> 02:42:19,800
get it I also have two teenagers one the

3253
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:22,920
university student one it was trying to

3254
02:42:28,580 --> 02:42:24,960
be a university student because he's too

3255
02:42:31,599 --> 02:42:28,590
young too young to decide and he took a

3256
02:42:35,360 --> 02:42:31,609
year or two off and now he got

3257
02:42:37,849 --> 02:42:35,370
unemployed of you know gonna play you

3258
02:42:39,980 --> 02:42:37,859
know the movie theater so there you go

3259
02:42:43,520 --> 02:42:39,990
there there mass layoffs small

3260
02:42:45,800 --> 02:42:43,530
businesses i watch the news every day

3261
02:42:49,280 --> 02:42:45,810
I saw a small business owner who owned

3262
02:42:51,620 --> 02:42:49,290
three businesses a stock or restaurant

3263
02:42:54,110 --> 02:42:51,630
you know these things and she had to

3264
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:54,120
layoff sixty five people I get it like

3265
02:42:59,630 --> 02:42:57,120
small business to big business then he

3266
02:43:04,370 --> 02:42:59,640
gets the freaking big businesses who are

3267
02:43:05,900 --> 02:43:04,380
taking advantage I would say at this

3268
02:43:07,700 --> 02:43:05,910
point they're not even taking advantage

3269
02:43:09,440 --> 02:43:07,710
of the government grants and the money

3270
02:43:11,599 --> 02:43:09,450
they're taking advantage of the workers

3271
02:43:15,469 --> 02:43:11,609
and putting them at risk honestly and

3272
02:43:17,300 --> 02:43:15,479
then the workers who who I've been in

3273
02:43:19,310 --> 02:43:17,310
the situation where you need to pay your

3274
02:43:21,469 --> 02:43:19,320
bills you need to pay your mortgage and

3275
02:43:23,889 --> 02:43:21,479
now they are faced with the choice of

3276
02:43:27,050 --> 02:43:23,899
how do you go to work and face this

3277
02:43:29,270 --> 02:43:27,060
straight on with making money to survive

3278
02:43:31,550 --> 02:43:29,280
and not lose everything they have what

3279
02:43:35,420 --> 02:43:31,560
little they have with lot they have

3280
02:43:37,820 --> 02:43:35,430
everything they have versus staying at

3281
02:43:39,800 --> 02:43:37,830
home these people are stuck and not

3282
02:43:43,399 --> 02:43:39,810
where my heart goes out honestly

3283
02:43:44,809 --> 02:43:43,409
it's old people I've been there like I

3284
02:43:46,309 --> 02:43:44,819
said I've been there where I'm going to

3285
02:43:48,019 --> 02:43:46,319
work and I have a good job and I'm

3286
02:43:49,760 --> 02:43:48,029
getting paid and I'm frickin miserable

3287
02:43:54,109 --> 02:43:49,770
and I don't want to go in and I'm facing

3288
02:43:57,200 --> 02:43:54,119
you know getting fired for instance and

3289
02:43:59,990 --> 02:43:57,210
in might my mortgages I risk and my and

3290
02:44:02,809 --> 02:44:00,000
you lose I lose everything as far as I'm

3291
02:44:06,319 --> 02:44:02,819
concerned you're what out on the street

3292
02:44:09,620 --> 02:44:06,329
and be these people who are doing the

3293
02:44:11,569 --> 02:44:09,630
Walmart the grocery stores people who

3294
02:44:14,809 --> 02:44:11,579
are on the front lines as far as I'm

3295
02:44:16,490 --> 02:44:14,819
concerned I don't know at this point if

3296
02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:16,500
they're doing it out of desperation or

3297
02:44:20,510 --> 02:44:20,130
their heart either way listen what the

3298
02:44:23,210 --> 02:44:20,520
hell

3299
02:44:25,309 --> 02:44:23,220
my heart goes out to bed because I've

3300
02:44:29,149 --> 02:44:25,319
been faced with choices like that and

3301
02:44:31,790 --> 02:44:29,159
it's not easy that's right no those are

3302
02:44:34,490 --> 02:44:31,800
the heroes right now though are the

3303
02:44:36,620 --> 02:44:34,500
heroes the cashiers people working how

3304
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:36,630
about you know I was thinking about this

3305
02:44:44,780 --> 02:44:41,010
today not only Amazon delivery how about

3306
02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:44,790
the postal workers you know the garbage

3307
02:44:58,189 --> 02:44:56,880
collectors all the doctors and the

3308
02:45:00,410 --> 02:44:58,199
nurses when I get it

3309
02:45:02,510 --> 02:45:00,420
and they're educated in there and there

3310
02:45:04,250 --> 02:45:02,520
and it's a choice and they're on the

3311
02:45:06,710 --> 02:45:04,260
front lines I get it but you're right

3312
02:45:08,660 --> 02:45:06,720
Jimmy people are forgetting the people

3313
02:45:10,819 --> 02:45:08,670
who are desperate to work and keep their

3314
02:45:13,090 --> 02:45:10,829
jobs like the postal workers of garbage

3315
02:45:15,559 --> 02:45:13,100
workers keeping the infant

3316
02:45:18,349 --> 02:45:15,569
infrastructure working imagine we

3317
02:45:20,380 --> 02:45:18,359
internal a few years ago I think almost

3318
02:45:24,080 --> 02:45:20,390
10 years ago I can't remember exactly

3319
02:45:26,479 --> 02:45:24,090
when we had all that garbage on strike

3320
02:45:29,330 --> 02:45:26,489
workers and the whole city was

3321
02:45:36,170 --> 02:45:29,340
disgusting like that can fail tomorrow

3322
02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:36,180
if they all decided to quit yes yes yes

3323
02:45:46,160 --> 02:45:41,130
and and way this is a point where all of

3324
02:45:57,200 --> 02:45:46,170
us can step back and appreciate those

3325
02:45:58,149 --> 02:45:57,210
out there that keep us you left off the

3326
02:46:01,790 --> 02:45:58,159
internet

3327
02:46:06,439 --> 02:46:01,800
the people that keep the phone systems

3328
02:46:08,540 --> 02:46:06,449
running and intellivision we are talking

3329
02:46:10,609 --> 02:46:08,550
about millions of people around the

3330
02:46:12,170 --> 02:46:10,619
world that make sure that you and I are

3331
02:46:44,300 --> 02:46:12,180
on the phone right now that you and I

3332
02:46:45,260 --> 02:46:44,310
that can happen you've gotta take me off

3333
02:46:47,240 --> 02:46:45,270
the speaker phone

3334
02:46:49,550 --> 02:46:47,250
it's you've got to remember the audience

3335
02:46:53,109 --> 02:46:49,560
is listening to this and it's inaudible

3336
02:46:59,599 --> 02:46:53,119
but I'll say this I'll say this for

3337
02:47:02,510 --> 02:46:59,609
anybody out there that is reading into

3338
02:47:05,929 --> 02:47:02,520
or believing the three days of darkness

3339
02:47:08,300 --> 02:47:05,939
or this is gonna happen or that you know

3340
02:47:09,559 --> 02:47:08,310
all these conspiracy theories do

3341
02:47:12,950 --> 02:47:09,569
yourself a favor

3342
02:47:16,490 --> 02:47:12,960
right now forget it open up the window

3343
02:47:20,540 --> 02:47:16,500
let in some fresh air into your dank

3344
02:47:22,700 --> 02:47:20,550
room walk out the front door take a walk

3345
02:47:24,950 --> 02:47:22,710
around the block and breathe some fresh

3346
02:47:27,950 --> 02:47:24,960
air and get your head clear

3347
02:47:36,889 --> 02:47:27,960
okay there's other stuff to worry about

3348
02:47:38,330 --> 02:47:36,899
their entire not only their job and

3349
02:47:42,170 --> 02:47:38,340
we're family right now

3350
02:47:46,399 --> 02:47:42,180
Lorien internet is right now with the

3351
02:47:48,740 --> 02:47:46,409
zoom and meetings and job connection

3352
02:47:51,679 --> 02:47:48,750
marie-anne I'm not talking all the

3353
02:47:55,309 --> 02:47:51,689
entertainment Laurieann the Internet's

3354
02:47:57,200 --> 02:47:55,319
not going down okay okay well that's

3355
02:47:59,930 --> 02:47:57,210
great it's not going back to the

3356
02:48:02,400 --> 02:47:59,940
frontline workers

3357
02:48:05,551 --> 02:48:02,410
Lorien I'm gonna I've got all these

3358
02:48:09,121 --> 02:48:05,561
calls on hold so let me get to them but

3359
02:48:12,001 --> 02:48:09,131
I want you to continue and I said what I

3360
02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:12,011
really called for which is about sorry

3361
02:48:15,720 --> 02:48:12,610
Jimmy

3362
02:48:20,100 --> 02:48:15,730
in the seventies remember when we all

3363
02:48:23,220 --> 02:48:20,110
used to get the flu I never did but

3364
02:48:25,321 --> 02:48:23,230
remember like you're about my age I'm 49

3365
02:48:29,301 --> 02:48:25,331
I think you're slightly older than me

3366
02:48:33,031 --> 02:48:29,311
but not much but so I remember in like

3367
02:48:35,310 --> 02:48:33,041
1976 77 I was six or seven years old and

3368
02:48:38,520 --> 02:48:35,320
again maybe 10 or 11 but then never

3369
02:48:40,680 --> 02:48:38,530
again but I had hard hard experiences

3370
02:48:43,051 --> 02:48:40,690
with flu and what made me think about

3371
02:48:45,270 --> 02:48:43,061
this was my kids and I was like you guys

3372
02:48:48,810 --> 02:48:45,280
have never had the flu and they're 21 in

3373
02:48:52,440 --> 02:48:48,820
19 I'm like it got me thinking well I

3374
02:48:54,121 --> 02:48:52,450
never thought back to the past about you

3375
02:48:54,690 --> 02:48:54,131
know what was going on maybe in those

3376
02:48:57,991 --> 02:48:54,700
years

3377
02:49:03,150 --> 02:48:58,001
let's say if I remember correctly 76 77

3378
02:49:04,951 --> 02:49:03,160
whatever it definitely not tossed 81 but

3379
02:49:08,001 --> 02:49:04,961
there was a couple of times there where

3380
02:49:10,261 --> 02:49:08,011
I had severe a hundred and five fevers

3381
02:49:12,180 --> 02:49:10,271
completely feel like I was dying

3382
02:49:15,900 --> 02:49:12,190
my parents carrying me to a hospital

3383
02:49:17,940 --> 02:49:15,910
like that was limp dying I have two of

3384
02:49:20,940 --> 02:49:17,950
those memories for sure and I don't have

3385
02:49:24,390 --> 02:49:20,950
memories like that with my kids so I I

3386
02:49:26,761 --> 02:49:24,400
have to put that out there in that your

3387
02:49:29,821 --> 02:49:26,771
viewership how many people let's say

3388
02:49:33,560 --> 02:49:29,831
between 70s and 80s because I do not

3389
02:49:35,970 --> 02:49:33,570
recall this going on between 80s and 90s

3390
02:49:38,041 --> 02:49:35,980
2000s like with my kids they've never

3391
02:49:43,470 --> 02:49:38,051
had a flu I don't even know if they

3392
02:49:45,751 --> 02:49:43,480
could survive one yeah yeah I never got

3393
02:49:50,341 --> 02:49:45,761
the flu I've also never gotten a flu

3394
02:49:53,131 --> 02:49:50,351
shot but I my memory and I've thought

3395
02:49:56,640 --> 02:49:53,141
about this a lot especially lately I

3396
02:50:01,411 --> 02:49:56,650
don't remember having the flu ever in my

3397
02:50:03,801 --> 02:50:01,421
life all right no no it never did never

3398
02:50:06,830 --> 02:50:03,811
do I remember

3399
02:50:13,580 --> 02:50:06,840
in the 90s

3400
02:50:15,200 --> 02:50:13,590
95 96 I got some kind of crazy stomach

3401
02:50:18,530 --> 02:50:15,210
thing that went on and I couldn't hold

3402
02:50:23,301 --> 02:50:18,540
things down for a few days but I don't

3403
02:50:25,820 --> 02:50:23,311
think it was the flu fever like here

3404
02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:25,830
seizure where I don't know mostly could

3405
02:50:29,511 --> 02:50:29,010
not even think I never had that never

3406
02:50:36,680 --> 02:50:29,521
had it

3407
02:50:38,720 --> 02:50:36,690
recall - so I'd be interested in hearing

3408
02:50:41,560 --> 02:50:38,730
about the viewers yeah you have such a

3409
02:50:44,210 --> 02:50:41,570
big audience thank you so much Lori Ann

3410
02:50:47,841 --> 02:50:44,220
okay talk to you

3411
02:50:50,360 --> 02:50:47,851
Gobekli Tepe thank you yes

3412
02:50:55,240 --> 02:50:50,370
there you go Lori Ann from Ontario

3413
02:50:59,750 --> 02:50:55,250
Canada I don't think I don't remember

3414
02:51:03,920 --> 02:50:59,760
that I have ever had the flu okay I know

3415
02:51:06,620 --> 02:51:03,930
that sounds strange but I I don't I

3416
02:51:11,000 --> 02:51:06,630
don't remember I don't remember getting

3417
02:51:12,950 --> 02:51:11,010
flu shots I never I especially as an

3418
02:51:14,420 --> 02:51:12,960
adult I never got a flu shot I don't

3419
02:51:15,320 --> 02:51:14,430
think I got a flu shot when I was a kid

3420
02:51:17,660 --> 02:51:15,330
I don't remember

3421
02:51:19,280 --> 02:51:17,670
i I just don't it's not part of my life

3422
02:51:22,341 --> 02:51:19,290
hi you're live on fade to black who's

3423
02:51:25,490 --> 02:51:22,351
calling thank you for letting me back on

3424
02:51:25,940 --> 02:51:25,500
to me the speaker is off everything is

3425
02:51:28,430 --> 02:51:25,950
done

3426
02:51:30,080 --> 02:51:28,440
this is Malcolm in Florida and I want to

3427
02:51:33,860 --> 02:51:30,090
say I found your guest

3428
02:51:37,400 --> 02:51:33,870
Mitch Horowitz fascinating because I

3429
02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:37,410
speculated about some elements of the

3430
02:51:44,801 --> 02:51:42,090
quantum you know state myself based on

3431
02:51:49,240 --> 02:51:44,811
my own experience well for one thing I

3432
02:51:51,790 --> 02:51:49,250
don't think telepathy is a thought being

3433
02:51:55,301 --> 02:51:51,800
transmitted from one line to another

3434
02:51:58,310 --> 02:51:55,311
sender receiver like a radio signal I

3435
02:52:01,490 --> 02:51:58,320
think philosophy is actually a thought

3436
02:52:06,740 --> 02:52:01,500
that becomes apparent to two minds at

3437
02:52:10,970 --> 02:52:06,750
once and I don't have telepathy I

3438
02:52:12,890 --> 02:52:10,980
haven't experienced it so I have no clue

3439
02:52:15,710 --> 02:52:12,900
when I hear people talk about it all the

3440
02:52:16,580 --> 02:52:15,720
time right where they've communicated

3441
02:52:22,520 --> 02:52:16,590
with

3442
02:52:24,550 --> 02:52:22,530
the ghost they and and how this

3443
02:52:27,980 --> 02:52:24,560
communication has happened without

3444
02:52:31,360 --> 02:52:27,990
anything verbally going down I can only

3445
02:52:33,560 --> 02:52:31,370
use my imagination because I have never

3446
02:52:37,130 --> 02:52:33,570
experienced it I don't know how it goes

3447
02:52:40,670 --> 02:52:37,140
down I know nothing about it we've had

3448
02:52:43,160 --> 02:52:40,680
on so many great guests you know from

3449
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:43,170
this Stanford Research Institute and I'm

3450
02:52:49,700 --> 02:52:45,200
from pair and these different

3451
02:52:52,010 --> 02:52:49,710
organization UCLA that have worked with

3452
02:52:55,130 --> 02:52:52,020
telepathy and telekinesis over the years

3453
02:52:59,599 --> 02:52:55,140
and and I can appreciate where they are

3454
02:53:01,550 --> 02:52:59,609
coming from but I can only do it from an

3455
02:53:03,560 --> 02:53:01,560
inquisitive mind you know somebody

3456
02:53:06,889 --> 02:53:03,570
that's interested in the subject I have

3457
02:53:08,630 --> 02:53:06,899
no idea none none none whatsoever and

3458
02:53:11,540 --> 02:53:08,640
everybody's got a different take on it

3459
02:53:14,630 --> 02:53:11,550
and a different view of it and a

3460
02:53:17,570 --> 02:53:14,640
different way of experiencing it and

3461
02:53:19,880 --> 02:53:17,580
what went through their minds until I go

3462
02:53:21,710 --> 02:53:19,890
through it I I really I don't have an

3463
02:53:23,770 --> 02:53:21,720
opinion you know what I mean well yeah

3464
02:53:26,630 --> 02:53:23,780
but the difference between most

3465
02:53:28,880 --> 02:53:26,640
experiencers with phantasmagorical

3466
02:53:31,550 --> 02:53:28,890
subjects and by experience is the lamp

3467
02:53:33,920 --> 02:53:31,560
spirit is that false and the Dawson

3468
02:53:36,469 --> 02:53:33,930
changed her behavior towards me as far

3469
02:53:39,590 --> 02:53:36,479
as I can tell in response to the

3470
02:53:43,219 --> 02:53:39,600
thoughts because there was no other way

3471
02:53:46,130 --> 02:53:43,229
to convey the information to us right

3472
02:53:49,060 --> 02:53:46,140
again right and I hear you say it and

3473
02:53:52,550 --> 02:53:49,070
all I can do is apply my imagination

3474
02:53:54,889 --> 02:53:52,560
well go ahead never happened to me until

3475
02:53:57,260 --> 02:53:54,899
it happened to me I was rolling on the

3476
02:53:58,310 --> 02:53:57,270
sand dunes one night with a strong wind

3477
02:54:00,590 --> 02:53:58,320
blowing you could imagine how

3478
02:54:04,010 --> 02:54:00,600
frustrating that is right and something

3479
02:54:05,750 --> 02:54:04,020
happens like my hands were like crabs or

3480
02:54:09,679 --> 02:54:05,760
something it was like I was doing a

3481
02:54:12,440 --> 02:54:09,689
nature film about this creature that was

3482
02:54:14,300 --> 02:54:12,450
very motivated he never smoked but when

3483
02:54:17,389 --> 02:54:14,310
putting it under impossible condition

3484
02:54:19,370 --> 02:54:17,399
and then you know the aleutian

3485
02:54:20,990 --> 02:54:19,380
disappeared and I was holding up rocket

3486
02:54:24,830 --> 02:54:21,000
passes rap should I put you know

3487
02:54:26,599 --> 02:54:24,840
smokeable that was that was that was the

3488
02:54:30,441 --> 02:54:26,609
spark of our relationship on the

3489
02:54:34,911 --> 02:54:30,451
Asheville well yeah and

3490
02:54:40,491 --> 02:54:34,921
and have you did you go and read Mitch's

3491
02:54:43,430 --> 02:54:40,501
article now I have it yeah way to you

3492
02:54:45,381 --> 02:54:43,440
yeah wait do you read that it's a really

3493
02:54:50,861 --> 02:54:45,391
really good article all of his stuff is

3494
02:54:52,101 --> 02:54:50,871
great but this one is very timely and

3495
02:54:54,741 --> 02:54:52,111
100%

3496
02:54:57,111 --> 02:54:54,751
I mean it's written for the world but

3497
02:54:58,731 --> 02:54:57,121
this community and certainly this

3498
02:55:00,831 --> 02:54:58,741
audience of fade to black they're gonna

3499
02:55:04,551 --> 02:55:00,841
go read that and it's just like mitch is

3500
02:55:06,591 --> 02:55:04,561
writing to you personally like this is

3501
02:55:08,391 --> 02:55:06,601
written just for you it's really well

3502
02:55:11,091 --> 02:55:08,401
done I can't wait for you to check it

3503
02:55:12,561 --> 02:55:11,101
out and hear your comments I will I will

3504
02:55:14,361 --> 02:55:12,571
check it out as soon as possible I just

3505
02:55:17,241 --> 02:55:14,371
want to finish up briefly but the other

3506
02:55:20,061 --> 02:55:17,251
experience a common experience that has

3507
02:55:23,871 --> 02:55:20,071
been entangled okay I've got one I've

3508
02:55:28,671 --> 02:55:23,881
got one minute Malcolm at the end of the

3509
02:55:31,311 --> 02:55:28,681
show explain now I could dream agreeing

3510
02:55:33,351 --> 02:55:31,321
with so many details of where the Dalton

3511
02:55:36,291 --> 02:55:33,361
was being kept at the time that she died

3512
02:55:38,801 --> 02:55:36,301
because we were 3,000 miles apart but

3513
02:55:43,161 --> 02:55:38,811
nevertheless I did

3514
02:55:45,501 --> 02:55:43,171
yeah that's entanglement yes yeah I

3515
02:55:48,441 --> 02:55:45,511
totally agree with that Malcolm enjoy

3516
02:55:54,861 --> 02:55:48,451
the rest of your night man good night

3517
02:55:57,201 --> 02:55:54,871
have a great night and I entanglement is

3518
02:55:59,621 --> 02:55:57,211
the one thing and I'm feeling guilty

3519
02:56:02,601 --> 02:55:59,631
about all of these calls on hold

3520
02:56:04,791 --> 02:56:02,611
entanglement is the one thing if you are

3521
02:56:09,081 --> 02:56:04,801
going to communicate across the vastness

3522
02:56:11,751 --> 02:56:09,091
of space and and galaxies and and the

3523
02:56:14,871 --> 02:56:11,761
universe it has to be entanglement

3524
02:56:16,371 --> 02:56:14,881
that's the only way can happen and have

3525
02:56:19,121 --> 02:56:16,381
these calls have been waiting on hold hi

3526
02:56:23,601 --> 02:56:19,131
your live on fade to black who's calling

3527
02:56:26,871 --> 02:56:23,611
hello Jimmy bacon Ruis hey I was

3528
02:56:29,271 --> 02:56:26,881
thinking how are you well I am doing

3529
02:56:32,001 --> 02:56:29,281
alright I really really enjoyed the show

3530
02:56:36,141 --> 02:56:32,011
you know it's so great later fam as

3531
02:56:38,031 --> 02:56:36,151
always uh right well there's a little

3532
02:56:40,941 --> 02:56:38,041
topic that I just want to smidge in

3533
02:56:44,270 --> 02:56:40,951
there and it's going to be about peeps

3534
02:56:46,140 --> 02:56:44,280
that often go

3535
02:56:48,990 --> 02:56:46,150
isn't that wonderful we go from

3536
02:56:55,591 --> 02:56:49,000
entanglement to patriotic they are glad

3537
02:56:57,511 --> 02:56:55,601
they are connected well okay so you know

3538
02:57:00,600 --> 02:56:57,521
as you know I lived in England for 16

3539
02:57:02,940 --> 02:57:00,610
years and so the pizza is very different

3540
02:57:10,650 --> 02:57:02,950
over there there are people toppings is

3541
02:57:12,600 --> 02:57:10,660
tuna and sweet corn no yes no no no okay

3542
02:57:14,820 --> 02:57:12,610
I'm gonna bleed out I'm gonna bleep that

3543
02:57:21,180 --> 02:57:14,830
out and nobody can ever hear those words

3544
02:57:22,740 --> 02:57:21,190
again and they also have you know the

3545
02:57:25,860 --> 02:57:22,750
Asian food Indian food

3546
02:57:29,060 --> 02:57:25,870
they have like a chicken tikka masala

3547
02:57:33,841 --> 02:57:29,070
pizza they have you know all those

3548
02:57:38,940 --> 02:57:33,851
exotic pizza toppings but man the tuna

3549
02:57:40,880 --> 02:57:38,950
and sweet corn no no no no don't say it

3550
02:57:45,660 --> 02:57:40,890
again ever

3551
02:57:51,560 --> 02:57:45,670
okay okay I've got I literally have 60

3552
02:57:54,390 --> 02:57:51,570
seconds before we roll credits that's

3553
02:57:57,120 --> 02:57:54,400
you know you dialed you dialed the phone

3554
02:58:00,150 --> 02:57:57,130
you got a clock hold on weren't see we

3555
02:58:05,630 --> 02:58:00,160
just wasted 30 seconds tell me what are

3556
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:05,640
the ultimate pizza toppings Oh mushroom

3557
02:58:12,480 --> 02:58:10,240
pepperoni and oh my god oh my god what's

3558
02:58:19,020 --> 02:58:12,490
that other meat yeah Italian sausage and

3559
02:58:20,730 --> 02:58:19,030
olives that's it okay and you just hit

3560
02:58:26,250 --> 02:58:20,740
everything right there in all cylinders

3561
02:58:30,720 --> 02:58:26,260
what about onions yeah yeah pepperoni

3562
02:58:34,140 --> 02:58:30,730
mushroom onion if if you if you cook the

3563
02:58:37,620 --> 02:58:34,150
right pizza that is acceptable on any

3564
02:58:41,460 --> 02:58:37,630
table right seriously now black olives

3565
02:58:43,740 --> 02:58:41,470
icing on the cake Italian sausage icing

3566
02:58:49,200 --> 02:58:43,750
on the cake I also like I'm gonna say it

3567
02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:49,210
right now I like extra sauce yeah

3568
02:58:55,620 --> 02:58:51,610
some people go extra cheese I'm okay

3569
02:58:57,600 --> 02:58:55,630
with that but I like extra sauce here

3570
02:58:59,581 --> 02:58:57,610
you go with the extra

3571
02:59:01,560 --> 02:58:59,591
with the extra sauce it really depends

3572
02:59:03,421 --> 02:59:01,570
on the amount of the top and is already

3573
02:59:06,661 --> 02:59:03,431
because you don't want the Vectra sauce

3574
02:59:09,751 --> 02:59:06,671
to overpower like you know the other top

3575
02:59:11,401 --> 02:59:09,761
it's it's a science man yep it's a

3576
02:59:13,411 --> 02:59:11,411
science piece of the science and we've

3577
02:59:17,640 --> 02:59:13,421
all been eating pizza our entire lives

3578
02:59:22,081 --> 02:59:17,650
and when you get to a certain age where

3579
02:59:24,810 --> 02:59:22,091
bad pizza is not acceptable not

3580
02:59:27,481 --> 02:59:24,820
acceptable it's not acceptable you know

3581
02:59:30,301 --> 02:59:27,491
what you like and and that that's the

3582
02:59:33,001 --> 02:59:30,311
bottom line here and it's funny when

3583
02:59:35,551 --> 02:59:33,011
you're a kid you eat a bad pizza you can

3584
02:59:36,781 --> 02:59:35,561
kind of roll with it not not not when

3585
02:59:40,741 --> 02:59:36,791
you get to be an adult

3586
02:59:43,161 --> 02:59:40,751
hey forsaken I got a roll credits all

3587
02:59:46,771 --> 02:59:43,171
right you know what Jimmy what's that

3588
02:59:48,331 --> 02:59:46,781
Gobekli perfect gobekli tepe for a

3589
02:59:50,970 --> 02:59:48,341
second row with right there thank you

3590
02:59:54,121 --> 02:59:50,980
for safety you will see its mom

3591
02:59:54,751 --> 02:59:54,131
there you go Gobekli Tepe with that

3592
02:59:58,411 --> 02:59:54,761
accent

3593
03:00:00,211 --> 02:59:58,421
life is good I'm yours Jimmy Church I

3594
03:00:01,651 --> 03:00:00,221
got to thank Mitch Horowitz what a great

3595
03:00:03,541 --> 03:00:01,661
conversation tonight thank you to

3596
03:00:08,401 --> 03:00:03,551
everybody on Twitter everybody on

3597
03:00:11,941 --> 03:00:08,411
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03:00:13,981 --> 03:00:11,951
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03:00:15,751 --> 03:00:13,991
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03:00:19,350 --> 03:00:17,320
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03:00:21,421 --> 03:00:19,360
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03:00:32,571 --> 03:00:30,581
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03:00:39,600 --> 03:00:37,511
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03:00:41,791 --> 03:00:39,610
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3610
03:00:43,831 --> 03:00:41,801
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03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:43,841
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03:00:46,910 --> 03:00:44,970
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03:00:48,349 --> 03:00:46,920
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03:00:53,320 --> 03:00:50,069
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3616
03:00:57,349 --> 03:00:53,330
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3617
03:01:00,849 --> 03:00:57,359
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03:01:06,660 --> 03:01:00,859
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